HomeMy WebLinkAbout08/01/91MINUTES OF THE Pd~GULAR MF~TING
OF~HE
PLANNING COMMISSION
OF THE CITY OF BAKERSFIELD
Held Thursday, August 1, 1991, 5:30 p.m., City Council Chamber, City Hall,
1501 Truxtun Avenue, Bakersfield, California.
C05~ISSIONERS:
Present:
JIM MARINO, Chairperson
KATE NDS~lVLIEB
TERI BJORN
DAVID COHN
STEVE MESSNER
D~ POWERS
C. ROBERT FRAPWELL, Alternate
Absent: STEVE. ANDERSON
ADVISORY MR~BERS:
.Present:
LAURA MARINO, Deputy City Attorney
FRED KLOEPPER, Assistant Public Works
Director
CALVIN BIDWE~L, Building Director
STAFF:
Present:
JACK HARDISTY, Planning Director
JIM~DVIUS, Principal Planner
MARC GAUTHIER, Principal Planner
JIM tI~GER~, Principal Planner
MIKELRR., Associate Planner
LAURIE DAVIS, Recording Secretary
PUBLIC S~AT~4ENTS
No one made any public statements at this time.
Chairman read the notice of right to appeal as set forth on the
agenda.
WORKSHOP -MONDAY, JULY 29, 1991 - RSEYCLING
Workshop was held.
recycling efforts.
Greg Sanders presented a review of the city's
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COMP~SIVE SIGN PLAN 1-91 (CENTERCAL PRDPERTIES)
Co~missioner Bjorn abstained due to a possible conflict of interest.
Commissioner Messner gave a summary of the sign committee report
before the Commission, saying they were in agreement on several
issues, however several they did not agree upon. They were not in
agreement with the applicant regarding light pole banners on which
the applicant wanted sales related text to be allowed up to four
weeks per year. The Committee decided that this'may create a prece-
dent for other similar requests. The second item in disagreement
was the rule regarding wall signage along frontage streets. The key
issue was an agreement that all non-conforming signs be removed with
a change of business rather than in three years. Staff held to the
1.5 foot maximum lettering and 67 percent of linear frontage.
In response to a question byChairmanMarino, Commissioner Messner
said the applicant had not expressed a desire to meet again with the
committee.
Motion was made by Commissioner Rosenlieb, seconded by Commissioner
Cohn to continue this item to the next regular meeting of August 15,
1991. Motion carried. Commissioner Bjorn abstained.
FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS - (WALMART PHASE II)
Staff report was waived.
Motion was made by Commissioner Rosenlieb, seconded by
Commissioner Powers to continue this item to the next regular meet-
ing of August 15, 1991. Motion carried.
PUBLIC HKARING - SITE PLAN REVIEW 19-91-A (ST. JOHN'S LUTHERAN
CHURCH)
Staff report was given.
Richard Bennett was present stating he is the project architect. In
response to inquiry by Chairman Marino, Mr. Bennett said he agrees
with conditions in the staff report.
Motion was made byCommissioner Cohn, seconded byCommissioner Bjorn
to approve the "A" Class Site Plan Review (Phase I) with the condi-
tions in the attached Exhibit "A", with the change to include condi-
tion regarding consent agreement from P.G.&E., as stated in
Memorandum from Jack Hardisty, Planning Director dated August 1,
1991. Motion carried.
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7. PUBLIC HEARING - EXTENSION OF TIME - TFlqTATIVE TRACT 5149 (RODINE
CC~4PANIES, INC. )
Staff report was given.
Public portion of the hearing was opened; no one spoke in
opposition.
Allen Donnelley was present representing the applicant. He said
they have a problem with the Parks Department Condition regarding
the 4:1 slopes for landscape maintainance. They have had this tract
engineered and have approved final grading plan with 2:1 slopes. It
would cause a hardship to have to engineer the entire subdivision
again. They object to this condition being added at this late
stage. He said they have no problem with the change in condition
regarding maintenance in landscaping from 90 to 180 days.
Ken Trone, City Parks Division was present stating the change in
slope condition was a request asking for the developer's
cooperation. In response to a question byChairmanMarino,
Mr. Trone said they would prefer it would be 4:1, however if he has
an approved grading plan there isn't much choice in the matter.
Mr. Donneley clarified it is not the entire northern border that has
the slope problem; but only toward the eastern side.
Public portion of the hearing was closed.
In response to a question byCommissioner Messner, Mr. Trone said
allowing the 2:1 slope would cause an increased runoff from
irrigation. It is more difficult to establish plant material and
maintain it once in place due to the steepness of the slope.
Mr. Donnelley said they now have extended the establishment for the
landscaping to 180 days.
Commissioner Rosenlieb cited discussion regarding the possibility of
having a community septic tank for this project asking staff for
history on the approval of this map. Mr. Hardisty said he recalled
the issue of sewage disposal being addressed at the time with the
increase in lot size to accommodate the septic tanks being
understood. This would be acceptable as an interim to the installa-
tion of a sewage disposal system to be installed at a later date.
Dry line sewers are required to be placed in the streets to be
hooked up to the future trunkline. This was agreed upon by the
applicant. It was discussed that eventually an outfall would be
provided from this area to plant ~2, however it is at the plan level
and not the design level at this time. It wouldbe difficult to
impose a condition to hook up to it because a program for implement-
ing it is not in place. The applicant has discussed this issue with
the Attorney's Office and if an alternative were permitted in the
condition in which they could install a master septic disposal sys-
tem so that the houses would be connected to a sewer system con-
nected to the septic tank as in Rio Bravo they would like this to be
an option.
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7. Extension of time - ~T #5149
(continued)
Page 4
In response to a question by Commissioner Rosenlieb, Mr. Kloepper
felt the disposal system couldbe accomplished within a 10-year time
frame. Commissioner Rosenlieb said she has a tremendous amount of
concern with individual septic tank systems, asking if they would be
looking for a master septic tank system for this area. Mr.
Donnelley said they think a master system might be appropriate, how-
ever the problem is that they havebeen told that the master system
must be maintained by a public entity before the Health Department
approval. The Olcese Water District and the City have been reluc-
tant to take on the responsibility of maintaining a community
system. They would not want to have a condition added that they
must build a leech field if conditions beyond their control make it
impossible.
In response to a question byCommissioner Cohn, Mr. Trone said it
would probably take about 2-3 years for sufficient growth to take
place to establish the slopes.
Commissioner Bjorn questioned the reason for Olcese Water District's
reluctance to maintain this system. Mr. Kloepper said they probably
are reluctant because they do not want to magnify their problems.
Mr. Kloepper responded to a question saying Condition #2 would cover
the need for consideration of a community water system. The system
would have to meet the most stringent requirements of the Health
Department.
Mr. Donnelley clarified they are only subdividing 60 of the acres
available for this tract. Twenty acres are available for the poten-
tial community leech field.
Commissioner Messner said he is reluctant to support a master septic
system after hearing the apparent problems, however he could support
it if language was introduced to address the feasibility of the
system.
Mr. Kloepper responded to a question by Commissioner Messner saying
the maintenance of this area would be paid for by the maintenance
district, including any excessive costs.
Commissioner Powers said he had concerns regarding individual septic
systems and with the applicant's permission would like for the City
to contact Olcese Water District and initiate discussion on whether
or not the City would maintain a community septic system, and possi-
ble redesign to incorporate this into the tract. Mr. Donnelley said
he did not feel this was necessary.
In response to a question byCommissioner Powers, Mr. Hardisty said
he feels condition #2 covers the alternatives.
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Extension of time - ~T 5149 (continued)
Commissioner Bjorn said she agreed with the comment made earlier by
Commissioner Rosenlieb in that she feels uncomfortable with the
individual septic systems, however it was approved in this manner
and the City is bound to live with the condition as it is now. She
therefore made the motion, seconded byCommissioner Powers to
approve the extension of time for Tentative Tract 5149 and to
approve phasing of said map, subject to the conditions outlined in
the Exhibit "A", with the deletion of Parks Condition, Page 7 of 10
of the staff report and with a change to Planning Department
Condition #17 on Page 9 of 10 to replace all references to ninety
(90) days with one hundred eighty (180) days. Motion carried.
Commissioners Cohn and Messner voted no.
PUBLIC HEARING - TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP 9664 (CORNERSTONE ~GINEERING)
Staff report was given.
Public portion of the hearing was opened; no one spoke in
opposition.
Dale Clark was present representing the applicant. He clarified
Condition #VIII-A saying the way it is stated the street improve-
ments sound as if the subdivider is required to provide additional
improvements other than those fronting subject property.
Public portion of the hearing was closed.
In response to a question byCommissioner Rosenlieb, Mr. Hardisty
said drought tolerant ground cover is a new condition in response to
the general drought in California. It is an effort to encourage
conservation. It is written more as encouragement than a require-
ment because there is no ordinance in place to provide for
enforcement.
Motion was made byCommissioner Rosenlieb, seconded byCommissioner
Powers to make all findings set forth in the staff report, and to
approve Proposed Tentative Parcel Map 9664, subject to the condi-
tions outlined in the Exhibit "A" attached to the staff report, with
the following changes:
Page 2 of the staff report, Paragraph 1 comment regarding
drought tolerant ground cover, shall be changed that drought
tolerant ground cover shall be encouraged.
Page 2 of 8 Public Works Condition #VIII~ is clarified that
the substandard street improvements shall be required as it
fronts the applicant's property.
Motion carried.
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9.
la,b) PUBLIC HEARING - ZONING UPON ANNEXATION #5196
Page 6
Staff report was given.
Public portion of the hearing was opened.
Jennie Caswell asked what the city would gain byannexing this area.
Mr. Kloepper said consistency of maintenance, additional state
monies from gas tax funds for maintenance of roads. Those people
over 65 would have half of their garbage bill subsidized. The city
provides street sweeping, which is only provided in County service
areas presently. Ms. Caswell was concerned about the city not
receiving their share of gas taxes. She did not feel any improve-
ments would be gained from annexing to the City. She felt they did
not need a street sweeper. They bought in the County because they
did not want to be in the City.
Mildred Gibson, 2412 Corto Street, was present to speak in
opposition. She said she was opposed to this annexation. She felt
the City offered no advantages, they have a sewer system, street
lights and curbing. She felt City Police budgets are stretched to
the limit now and did not believe the City Police would be able to
protect them any better than the Sheriff. She said she has
requested copies of letters in favor of the annexation and has been
denied them. She submitted a petition of 694 signatures of property
owners against the annexation, and 794 registered on separate
petitions.
Jim Hesenhoff, 1809 Locust Ravine, spoke saying he did not feel this
should be the way the City should conduct this annexation. He said
this was kept very quiet by the City. He did not feel this was fair
and did not make him want to join the City and be subjected to this
type of treatment. He said in obtaining signatures against this
annexation out of 17 homes he was refused by only 3.
George Jeffers spoke in opposition. He was concerned about the
booking fee which the city must pay, saying as a result of this mis-
demeanor arrests are no longer made.
Dr. Phyllis Selby Dabbs stated she has been a resident of the County
since 1951 and she would like it to remain this way. She said she
moved out of the City to end the duplication of local government,
the additional restrictions on private lives, demands of permits.
She was concerned about additional taxes, and said annexation was
unnecessary and unwelcome.
Stan Shires spoke saying he tried to obtain a copy of the survey
from the City and was told it was unavailable. He asked when this
becomes public information. Mr. Marino said he is disappointed in
this and his opinion was that most anything from city government is
public information.
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la & b ZUA #5196
B. J. Myer asked questions about the tax increase, citing the unfin-
ished hotel at the convention center, Moreland settlement and rat
tax. He asked about the hookup for sewers, and what their recourse
would be if this is approved. Mr. Hardisty said the convention cen-
ter hotel and Moreland settlement were items handled by the
Redevelopment Agency and would not have any effect on the City tax
structure. The rat tax is a tax which would cover them whether they
are in the city or county. The garbage fees are evaluated annually
and have been set at $107 which was an increase over last year's.
If they are in a lighting district and have a fee this would be
eliminated. Mr. Hardistyoutlined the City's procedure for ann-
exation and the recourse for the residents, saying the residents
could attend LAFCO's hearing and the City Council protest hearing.
Chairman Marino outlined the motions that the Planning Commission
would make.
Carla Jeffers asked about the survey referred to previously.
Mr. Hardisty clarified staff used the records of ownership from the
tax assessor. It was sent to an area around the Country Club which
was the initial proposed area. As theboundaries were looked at it
was felt the appropriate line would be from Mt. Vernon to the
Country Club. Mr. Hardisty clarified this was not initiated by the
property owners, but by himself in response to inquiries from resi-
dents wishing to be in the City. In response to comment by Carla
Jeffers, Chairman Marino said this annexation is not creating any
islands. In response to questions, Mr. Kloepper outlined the dis-
tribution of gas tax funds to the County and the City. Ms. Jeffers
felt the response time of the police is not good and she felt the
city government should not take it upon themselves to annex them
without their wishing it.
Claire Moore said he owns property in the City and County in this
area. He said his personal experience is that services are cheaper
in the county, and they have everything they need. In response to a
request, Mr. Kloepper gave Mr. Moore an estimate of 50-60 percent of
increase in gas tax subventions to the area. Mr. Moore felt this is
the only valid reason for this annexation.
Minutes, PC, 8/1/91
la & b ZUA 95196 (continued)
Page 8
Rosella Binder, 3878 Dalehurst Drive, spoke saying she resents the
statement that the survey was sent out and that half were against
and half in favor. This statement makes it sound as if the City has
a bona fide reason for annexing, however the survey was sent out to
a small area only. She asked for the names of the propertyowners
inquiring about annexation. Chairman Marino felt this was not
relevant. Mr. Hardisty said he could not recall this information.
In response to request byMs. Binder, Mr. Hardisty outlined the
election process. Chairman Marino responded to questions saying
residents of this area would be representated by Councilwoman Smith
and would Continue to be representated by Supervisor Larwood, and
Mr. Kloepper outlined the gas tax allocation, and the loss and gain
of responsibilites of the City and County.
Louie Rambula expressed Concern about the zoning which allows ani-
mals changing. He said he saw no advantage in annexation.
JoannMeyer spoke saying she has not received cooperation from City
staff in noticing procedures. Chairman Marino clarified under State
law if more than 1,000 people are residents in the area the City can
run an ad in the paper rather than notifying each individual.
Mr. Hardisty said the City has and will continue to notify the resi-
dents by mail even though under State law it is not necessary. She
was concerned about tax increases and cited increases in other
areas.
Jim Poole, 1816 Locust Ravine, was present to speak in opposition.
He said this annexation was defeatedby residents in about 1953 and
would be defeated again.
Walter Hunter spoke asking why a postcard could not be sent out to
save a lot of problems.
Jennie Caswell spoke again saying she is confused about the tax rev-
enue situation. Mr. Hardisty answered saying the City and County
have an agreement based on the transfer of services and
responsibilites and that they would not be increased. The City and
County would negotiate the fund revenues. The County would retain
some of the funds because they are continuing to maintain some of
the County-wide responsibilities. She cited her concerns about the
length of response time for the Police Department. They built their
homes because they wanted tobe outside the City.
Phyllis Selby Dabbs stated the petitions with the signatures pre-
sented to the Commission more than satisfy the 25 percent
requirement. In light of this she asked why the City does not give
up.
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la & b ZUA #5196 continued
Craig Jenkins, resident of Flintridge Drive, expressed his opposi-
tion to this annexation. He also asked about the results of the
survey. Mr. Gauthier, staff planner cited the number of surveys
sent out saying approximately 52 percent were in opposition and 48
percent in favor of annexation. Mr. Jenkins asked if this action
could be deferred in order to send out additional surveys to get
response from the residents. In response to a question by Mr.
Jenkins, Mr. Hardisty said the survey results were obtained in the
area east of Oswell, north of College. He emphasized that the sur-
vey is not for any other purpose than to get a sense of opinion. It
has no legal effect. The issue will not be resolved until the pro-
test hearing before the City Council. Mr. Jenkins said this ann-
exation addresses impacts on the environment and he suggested the
people count in the environment.
Kenneth Nyberg, 4340 Flintridge Drive, asked about the association
of this with Bakersfield Country Club's effort to develop properties
on the Country Club which was made a few years ago. Mr. Hardisty
said this has nothing to do with that proposal, which the city
objected to.
Mildred Lenlark, 2416 Corto Street, asked if this annexation is
approved will their homes be reassessed. Mr. Hardisty stated reas-
sessment does not occur on annexation, only on resale or remodel.
She stated she is in opposition to this annexation.
Lynna McCloud asked how many returns were received from the survey,
to which Mr. Hardisty responded approximately 240.
Walter W. Hunter, again spoke about the landfill site saying the
moving of it would increase garbage fees.
James Helton, 3414 Pickwick Drive, responded on comments regarding
the survey, saying if the response to the survey does not matter he
felt the city is saying their opinions do not matter and asked why
they then received a letter saying that several residents in the
area have inquired about annexation. He felt the opinions of those
interested in annexation matter. He stated he has been very pleased
with services received by the county, and is opposed to this
annexation.
Jim Poole asked if the cards were sent out in the County Club area.
Mr. Hardisty said they were sent to the east side of Oswell at the
time because this was the area interested in annexation. Mr. Poole
felt the need to annex this area is not apparent and the City has
failed to present a good case for it. He felt the Commission should
give consideration to the opinions given this evening and table this
annexation until additional responses can be obtained.
Minutes, PC, 8/1/91
la & b ZUA #5196 (continued)
Page 10
Stan Shires spoke saying this is a tough decision to make. He said
the Commission has a choice of voting what is best for the City or
the residents.
Ms. Carr, 2905 PicoAvenue, said she was under the impression that
being annexed would help her because the City would allow her to get
off the septic systems but the sewer connections wouldbe expensive.
She said she is in opposition to this annexation.
John McCamis spoke saying they recently purchased a house in the
county and assumed they would stay in the County. He stated for the
record that he and his wife are against this annexation.
No one spoke in favor.
Public portion of the hearing was closed.
Commissioner Rosenlieb thanked those present for their input. She
felt the Commission is looking at 2 issues rather than 1. The first
issue being whether or not to annex and the second issue of how the
proposal came about. She stated the City did not do a very adequate
job in presenting the proposal. She said the City would like to
annex developed areas to eliminate a duplication of services.
Government continues to cut back services and at some point it must
be made more efficient. She stated she believed eliminating dupli-
cation would accomplish this which is why she is in favor of this
annexation. The focus should not be on whose services are better
and that the residents would not be losing but perhaps gaining
something. She said she would like to see the Council's decision on
this item. She felt it wouldbe best for the community as a whole
for all developed areas to be annexed.
Ms. Gibson explained the petitions submitted in response to ques-
tions by Commissioner Bjorn. Mr. Hardisty also clarified the pro-
test hearing procedure. She felt the Commission's role should be to
look at the planning issues and what makes the most sense for the
city, however she viewed this as apolitical decision. The
Commission should examine this from a planning standpoint and make a
recommendation to the City Council, who will make the ultimate
decision.
Commissioner Messner complimented those present for their presenta-
tion of their feelings on the matter. Mr. Messner cited a tremen-
dous demand for urban services. If every annexation is blocked the
demand for urban services will be growing in a leap frog pattern
therefore it must be balanced. He felt the driving force of this
annexation was good planning and environmental issues. He stated
the efficient use of services and response to growth needs of
California is important to the City of Bakersfield. He stated he
supported the annexation because it is good planning.
Minutes, PC, 8/1/91
la & b ZUA #5196 (continued)
Page 11
Chairman Marino thanked those who spoke. He stated there is not
enough revenue from residential properties to provide the needed
services, therefore this will cost the city money. It is the city's
responsibility to the community to provide more efficient
government.
Mr. Hardisty said he would like to forward the petitions to the City
Council so that they can make the decision of whether or not to pro-
ceed with this project.
In response to a question byCommissioner Bjorn, Mr. Hardisty said
it is the city's policy to try to bring the city together under one
jurisdiction and if this were to be moved away from, it should be a
council decision. He then outlined the Council's procedure on this
annexation.
Discussion continued regarding the procedures following this
hearing.
Commissioner Cohn stated the Commission has a responsibility to
carry out what is best for the city, however this is also a politi-
cal issue and the Commission needs to be cognizent of the responsi-
bility of Planning Commissioners and act accordingly. He commended
those present for their presentations. He felt his responsibility
was to do what is best from a planning standpoint. He felt those
residents in this area are city residents because they tend to use
city services being that they are so close. He stated he is
inclined to support this annexation. He felt the City in many
respects tries to make an effort to makes things easier on
residents.
Commissioner Powers agreed with Commissioner Cohn's comments stating
he felt the Planning Commission should approve the annexation
thereby passing it along to the Council to make the political
decision.
Motion was made by Commissioner Powers, seconded by commissioner
Rosenlieb to adopt resolution making findings as set forth in the
staff report approving the Negative Declaration and recommend same
to the City Council. Motion carried by the following roll call
vote:
AYES: Commissioners Bjorn, Cohn, Frapwell, Messner, Powers,
Rosenlieb, Marino
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Anderson
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Page 12
la & b ZUA #5196 (continued)
Motion was made byCon~nissi°ner Powers, seconded by Commissioner
Rosenlieb to adopt a resolution making findings as set forth in the
staff report approving Zoning Upon Annexation No. 5196 consisting of
a change of zone from County zoning of E (1/4) (Estate-i/4 acre),
R-1 (Low Density Residential), R-2 PD (Medium Density Residential,
Precise Development) and R-3 PD (High Density Residential, Precise
Development) to the City zoning designations of E (Estate), R-1 (One
Family Dwelling), R-2 (Limited Multiple Family Dwelling, one dwell-
ing per 2,500 square feet) and R-3 (Limited Multiple Family
Dwelling, one dwelling per 1,250 square feet) zones, and recommend
same to City Council. Motion carried by~the following roll call
vote:
AYES: Comissioners Bjorn, Cohn, Frapwell, Messner, Powers,
Rosenlieb, Marino
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Anderson
Motion was made by Commissioner Powers, seconded by Commissioner
Rosenlieb to adopt resolution making findings as set forth in the
staff report, approving the proposed College No. 4Annexation and
recommend same to City Council. Motion carried by the following
roll call vote:
AYES: Commissioners Bjorn, Cohn, Frapwell, Messner, Powers,
Rosenlieb, Marino
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Anderson
10. PUBLIC HEARIBX] - ORDINANCE AMSIWqDMMXYP FODIFYING S~CTION 17.64.070
PERTAINING TO NOTICE OF D~CISIONS BY THE BOARD OF ZONING AEOUSTMER~
Staff report was given.
Public portion of the hearing was opened; no one spoke in favor or
opposition.
Public portion of the hearing was closed.
Minutes, PC, 8/1/91
10. Ordinance Amendment - BZA (continued)
Page 13
Motion was made byCommissioner Powers, seconded byCo~nissioner
Rosenlieb to adopt the findings contained in this staff report as
their own and approve this project (OR 17.64-91), and recommend same
to the City Council. Motion carried by the following roll call
vote:
AYES: Commissioners Bjorn, Frapwell, Messner, Powers, Rosenlieb,
Marino
NOES: None
ABSTAINED: Commissioner Cohn
ABSENT: Commissioner Anderson
11. GENERAL PLAN CONSISTENCYFINDING
Mr. Hardisty gave a summary of staff's report on this item.
He recommended that this school site meets the policies of the gen-
eral plan in terms of providing adequate services appropriately located.
Motion was made by Commissioner Messner, seconded by Commissioner
Frapwell to find the proposed junior high school site consistent
with the Metropolitan Bakersfield 2010 General Plan as to its
location, purpose and extent as required byGovernment Code Section
65402(c). Motion carried.
12. DISCUSSION Pd~IARDING ODNVERSION OF AGRICULTURAL LANDS
Mr. Gauthier gave a summary of the report distributed to the
Commission.
In response to a question by Commissioner Rosenlieb, Mr. Hardisty
said this item covers alternatives such as urban growth boundaries,
thresholds for environmental impact consideration on agricultural
conversion, right to farm laws which are all alternatives he feels
are worth cosideration by the Planning Commission. Commissioner
Rosenlieb said when this was proposed in the first 2010 Plan it met
with extreme opposition from the development community. She felt it
was very well done.
Commissioner Frapwell felt this was very well done. There is a lot
of work to be done and the sooner it is begun the better things will
be.
Minutes, PC, 8/1/91
Page 14
11. Discussion - Conversion of Ag lands (continued)
Commissioner Messner asked where urban growth boundaries have been
successful. Commissioner Rosenlieb cited Visalia is using it
successfully. Mr. Hardisty stated Visalia has a double ring, the
inner ring where preponderence of growth is to occur and another
ring which projects onto a later year within which they would look
favorably on developments. In California the urban growth bounda-
ries have been influential in determining whether or not cities
would consider an application beyond them. The cooperation of the
other jurisdictions is needed in order for this to be a successful
tool in managing expansion of boundaries.
Commissioner Powers felt developing the growth boundaries is a good
concept which creates some temperance as far as the speed at which
growth occurs, however it must be flexible enough to allow for the
natural expansion of the community.
Mr. Hardistypointed out that the comment has been made that urbani-
zation of the east side caused farmers to have to farm the west
side, however most of this happened at the same time they got water.
Discussion continued regarding the location of agricultural land in
the city.
Chairman Marino felt development will follow infrastructure. He
felt the city should be laying infrastructure toward the foothills
to allow for development.
Commissioner Messner asked if staff had anyopinion on the removal
of orchards as opposed to other crops such as alfalfa or rice.
Mr. Hardisty said under future growth the city is faced with priori-
tizing the areas for growth based on uniqueness of agricultural
activities such as almonds. Some crops need to be evaluated because
of their rareness. Prime agricultural land because of its charac-
teristics is prime area for urbanization as well, and choices must
be made.
In response to a question by Commissioner Frapwell, Mr. Hardisty
said in his opinion he did not feel the State would be able to man-
date abase line beyond which development could not occur.
Chairman Marino felt this was not something the city should be con-
cerned with. He felt a positive approach should be taken by provid-
ing the infrastructure in an area the city would like developed.
Commissioner Messner felt a suitability index would be a good
approach.
Commissioner Powers stated he would like to stay away from the
issue, waiting until the city is mandated.
Minutes, PC, 8/1/91 Page 15
13. ~ICATIONS
A)
There was no written communication.
B ) Verbal
Mr. Hardisty requested that the matter of amending the Municipal
Code, Section 17.68.010be referred to staff for revision to reflect
today's requirements for considering annexation. This is an out-
dated part of the ordinance that refers to the city working with the
County Lands Boundary Commission and which puts the Commission in
the position of having to judge whether or not to recommend for or
against annexation. The ordinance requirement puts the city in a
difficult position in terms of having a process in the Municipal
Code that does not match the legal requirements in the State
Cortese-Knox Act. He would like to bring it back to the CommiSsion
with a more updated set of requirements. Chairman Marino referred
this to staff.
Mr. Hardisty commented on testimony given to the Governor's
Committee on growth management saying he tried to express some of
the feelings of the Commission. One thing has been a frustration at
the implementation side of planning. For example sewer lines are
proposed, however there is no way to ensure their installation.
There are policies toward growth, however the means to carry them
out are not adopted with the plan.
Commissioner Powers questioned Mr. Hardisty as to comments in his
presentation regarding affordable housing. Mr. Hardisty said he
made a comment in response to a question by the Commission in that
the real problem in affordable housing does not have as much to do
with the rules and regulations placed on them by the city but the
treatment of housing as a commodity rather than a home. It is mar-
ket driven in terms of price, the city has some effect on the price
when adding fees, however it is difficult to believe that it drives
the prices up as high as they are especially on existing stock.
14. COMMISSION--S
Commissioner Rosenlieb responded to a comment made by Commission
Cohn regarding a tract on the east side with a 2:1 slope which is
falling into the street. She asked about permits being issued with-
out there being a retaining wall. Mr. Hardisty said he would check
into this issue and report back to the Commission.
Commissioner Messner gave a summary on the park committee meeting
regarding a comprehensive parks plan. The committee will be
reconvened in early September when staff has a working map. There
was an update on the issue of parks special district/county service
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15.
AD3OURNMENT
There being no further business to come before the Commission, meet-
ing was adjourned at 8:59 p.m.
Laurie Davis
Recording Secretary