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B A K E R 5 F I E L D
MEMORANDUM
March 22, 1996
TO: HONORABLE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL
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ALAN TANDY, CITY MANAGER fl7 ú¡ rk.s.
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SUBJECT: GENERAL INFORMATION
1. The good news of the week - Riverlakes Ranch paid approximately $1.6 million in delinquent
assessments and taxes. Their assessments are current! We are continuing discussions with
their new spokesperson on the other remaining issues and we seem to be making progress,
- On another related note, we have received an order to pay back the last $200,000 payment that
Riverlakes made on their development agreement transportation costs. That order declares the
development agreement tenninated, because it was not assumed by the debtor (Riverlakes) by
the bankruptcy deadline.
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2. We've received some feedback ftom the County regarding their stance on our annexing County I
properties. They would probably oppose individual property annexations, unless it was
connected to some additional area being taken in. Enclosed is a memorandum on how we
propose to handle each property.
3. There is a memorandum attached regarding the original purpose in establishing the Casa Lorna
Specific Plan. It has been amended ftequently to address specific situations, and the effect has
been to dilute the adopted development standards. Staff plans to meet with County planning
staff to discuss rescinding the plan. The General Plan would remain in place, and we could
eliminate an unnecessary layer of regulation.
4. Development Services staff has met with the owner and architect for the old Price Club
building and given their recommendations as to how they can meet the building code in their
conversion of the premises to an ice skating rink.
5. Responses to several Council inquiries are attached:
8 Follow up to complaint regarding roller bladers on the Jastro Park tennis courts;
8 Property maintenance at 128 N. McDonald Way and 1700 LeMay Avenue; :1
8 Illegal storage bin at 2800 Cedar Street;
8 Update of the Sidewalk Repair Program;
8 Proposed abandonment of pedestrian walkway - LakeviewNirginia Ave, area
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March 22, 1996
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. Update of River lakes median landscaping;
. Ward 1 - Illegal trash dumping/complaint re failure to pick up half full containers;
6. The Graffiti Update for February is attached. There were a total of261 calls. We continue
with our Adopt-a-Wall Program and have recruited 158 volunteers so far.
7. The transcript trom the Day of Dialogue on Race Relations which was held on March 2nd is
enclosed for your information.
8. Attached is the CIP Status Report for March.
9. As you may have read in the paper, we had problems keeping the ice up for the hockey game
on Thursday night due to the air conditioner retrofit and warming outside temperatures. We
are bringing in a temporary cooling unit, because we have a full slate of activities next week.
After that, the retrofit will have coolers back in place. On a related note, we will have flooring
over the ice for events taking place at the center next week. It's on loan ffom Oakland and was
necessary to accommodate the possibility of hockey playoffs. Some users of the center may
complain, but ifwe hadn't provided for hockey playoffs, many would have. In any event, it's
a good test of a floor system overlaid on ice that we should look at anyway.
10. It's turned out to be a great year for our water supply - a graph is enclosed.
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cc: Department Heads
Carol Williams, City Clerk
Trudy Slater, Administrative Analyst
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MEMORANDUM \~____~i\~__~~ ~
March 18, 1996
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Dolores Teubner, Assistant to the City Manager
Jack Hardisty, Development Services Director
FROM: Alan Tandy, City Manager
SUBJECT: Annexation of County Owned Properties
I've gotten feedback ftom Joel Heinrichs on the issue of annexing County properties. The following
is the general answer to the issue:
They are not enthusiastic and would probably oppose the individual annexation of County owned
properties. On the other hand, if it is in connection with some additional area being taken in and
. logical in light of that, they will not oppose them.
Therefore, we should handle the County owned properties as follows:
1. Museum and baseball complex on Chester - They will not oppose it, since it is part of a bigger
annexation.
2. Casa Loma Park - They will not oppose it, since it is part of a bigger annexation.
3. County Fairgrounds - we should initiate that when we initiate the Southgate area. While they
are not enthusiastic, they will apparently not oppose it, if it is part of the Southgate annexation.
4. Hart Park - If there were other properties to annex in connection with this, they would
probably not oppose it, however, that does not seem likely, so we may just wish to put it on
hold until sometime in the future.
5. The County Sewer Plant Property - Since we are thinking of becoming our own LEA, they are
not enthusiastic about this concept. Also, it would be very difficult to put together with any
other property.
6. Kern Medical Center - Here again, this one should wait until we are annexing a larger piece
that would include KMC.
Please contact me if you have any questions.
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Economic and Community Development Department!
MEMORANDUM
March 11, 1996
TO: Jack Hardisty, Development Services Direct~
FROM: Jake Wager, Economic Development Direct~
SUBJECT: Casa Lorna Specific Plan
I have recently discussed with Dave Price, Ted James, and Bill Mungary the need to continue on
with the Casa Loma Specific Plan.
The general consensus is that the purpose of the Casa Lorna Specific Plan was to establish a uniform
set of development standards in an area that had a lot of City/County jurisdictional interfaces. Over
the years, however, the plan has been amended by each body to address a specific need that has
arisen within our respective jurisdiction. This practice continues and the net effect is a dilution of
the adopted development standards (and thus the practical effect of the Specific Plan). Another
question that has been posed is that the adoption of the plan was necessary in order to obtain
approval of the Southeast Bakersfield Incentive Area. This seems to be a common misconception.
Bill Mungary advanced the most likely theory as to why the Casa Loma Specific Plan is so closely
identified with the incentive area. State legislation specifically prohibits the inclusion of agricultural "
zoned properties in Incentive Areas. By adopting the Casa Loma Specific Plan, a ~onsiderable
amount of agricultural land was rezoned to commerciaVindustrial thus making it eligible for
inclusion in the Incentive Area. Since the establishment of the Casa Lorna Specific Plan, the City ,
and County have adopted the 2010 General Plan. If the Casa Loma Specific Plan was rescinded the I
2010 Plan would remain in place, the Incentive Area properties would remain zoned
commercial/industrial and we would have eliminated an on-going (and unnecessary) layer of
regulation and source of frustration. Weare not aware of any state requirement or regulation that
mandated either the adoption nor the retention of the Casa Loma Specific Plan.
I would suggest that representatives of your staff and county planning staff initiate discussions, at
your convenience, on the possibility and timing of rescinding the Casa Loma Specific Plan.
cc: Alan Tandy
Bill Mungary
Ted James
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TO: Jack Hardisty, Development Services Director
FROM: Dennis Fidler, Building Directo~
DATE: March 14, 1996
SUBJECT: Vacant Price Club Building
The original Ralph's Giant was constructed as a Type 3 non-rated fire sprinklered building
with 70,000 sq. ft. of floor area. When Price Club took over the building, they added 16,000
sq. ft. to the structure, making the total area 86,000 sq. ft. The usage of the building was
considered as a wholesale and retail store with automatic fire sprinkler system and 60 ft.
yard. The Uniform Building Code permits unlimited area under Section 506b for this type
of use.
Ice Palace is classified as an assembly occupancy per the Uniform Building Code. The
building code defines assembly as any building or portion of a building used for the
gathering together of 50 or more persons for such purposes as deliberation, education,
instruction, worship, entertainment, amusement, drinking or dining or awaiting
transportation.
The building code assigns number of occupants per square foot depending upon the use of
room/area. This occupant load is used for determining occupancy classifications of a
structure (e.g. assembly) and required width and number of exits. Thus, in order to
improve this relative high hazard, the building code has special requirements for type of
construction, size of structure, location on property, fire suppression, number and location
of exits.
The area for Price Club was regulated on occupancy of space used for storage and
occupancy. The area for assembly is strictly occupancy because of open space. Occupancy
usually increases.
My staff has met with the owner and architect to help solve their proposal. At this time,
my staff has given verbal agreement to allow one of the two following situations.
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1. Building to remain constructed as is (Type III N) but they must install a 4-
hour separation fire wall with a parapet between the ice skating rink and the
theaters.
2. One-hour existing structural frame.
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1. Building to remain constructed as is (Type III N) but they must install a 2-
hour separation fire wall between the ice skating rink and the theaters.
2. Reduce the ice skating rink area to 31,500 sq. ft.
3. One-hour existing structural frame.
Both these recommendations will require the existing sprinkler system to remain as is.
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MEMORANDUM
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TO: Randy Fidler, Chief Code Enforcement Officer a~i?ff¡;
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FROM: Tony DeMarco, Code Enforcement Officer -;;t1? & . ß' .
SUBJECT: Complaint Follow-Up - Jastro Park
On March 12, 1996, I responded to the area of Jastro Park to follow-up on a complaint.
The reporting party, Brian Klassen, alleges that rollerbladers are using the tennis courts at
the aforementioned park. Upon further investigation, I obselVed a court area for non tennis
activity. I also obselVed a tennis court adjacent to the court. On March 12, 1996, I
contacted Terry McCormick ofthe Parks Department for assistance. Terry stated she would
have a sign posted at the tennis court [BMC 12.56.050(H)] - Unlawful to conduct non tennis
activity on tennis court. On March 18, 1996, I rechecked the tennis court and obselVed the
sign had been posted. The Police. Department has also been advised for extra patrol.
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cc: Councilmember Pat DeMond
Alan Tandy, City Manager
Jack Hardisty, Development SelVices Director
Dennis Fidler, Building Director
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MEMORANDUM
March 18, 1996
TO: Dennis Fidler, Building Director
FROM: Bill Harrelson, Code Enforcement Officer e+-
SUBJECT: 128 N. McDonald Way - Property Maintenance
On March 13, 1996, I went to said address to investigate a property maintenance complaint.
Upon arrival, I observed yard sale type items in the front and side yard areas. A correction
notice was issued to the owner, Ray Dixon, giving 14 days to abate the violation.
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cc: Councilmember Randy Rowles
Alan Tandy, City Manager
Jack Hardisty, Development Services Director
Randy Fidler, Chief Code Enforcement Officer
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March 18, 1996
TO: Randy Fidler, Chief Code Enforcement Officer
FROM: Bill Harrelson, Code Enforcement Officer ;~-
SUBJECT: 1700 LeMay Avenue - Property Maintenance
On March 15, 1996, I went to said address and obselVed trash, debris and two junk vehicles.
A first notice to abate the violation was sent to the owner who lives at said address.
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cc: Councilmember Salvaggio
Alan Tandy, City Manager
Jack Hardisty, Development SelVices Director
Dennis Fidler, Building Director
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March 18, 1996
TO: Randy Fidler, Chief Code Enforcement Officer
FROM: Bill Harrelson, Code Enforcement Officer 134
SUBJECT: 2800 Cedar Street - Illegal Storage Bin
On March 15, 1996, I went to said address to investigate a complaint of a storage bin in the
driveway area. The owner, Vera McCoy, stated her son was responsible for the bin. A
correction notice was given to the owner to remove said bin within seven days.
On March 18, 1996. 1 spoke with the son and he stated he would have the bin removed
within ten days.
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cc: Councilmember Pat DeMond
Alan Tandy, City Manager
Jack Hardisty, Development Services Director
Dennis Fidler, Building Director
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PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
MEMORAN UM
TO: Alan Tandy, City Manager
FROM: Raul M. Rojas, Public Works ¡rector h~
DATE: March 21, 1996
SUBJECT: UPDATE - SIDEWALK REPAIR PROGRAM
Attached for your information is our Street Division's latest
update, dated March 21, 1996, on the Sidewalk Repair Program.
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MEMORANDUM
March 21, 1996
TO: Joe Lozano, Public Works Manager
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FROM: Luis Peralez, Street Maintenance Superintendent
SUBJECT: SIDEWALK REPAIR PROGRAM
The policy (1-95) of repairing sidewalks was adopted by the Urban
Development Committee at the February 3, 1995 meeting. Fallowing
the guidelines set within this policy, $100,000 was budgeted in the
95/96 budget year for repairing sidewalks by annual contract.
In September 1996, the annual contract with Jim Alfter expired. At
that time all concrete repair work was stopped until the contract
was renewed in December 1996. To complicate matters, we have had
unseasonable weather (rain) which has not allowed us to proceed
wi th the Sidewalk Repair Program, as planned. However, we have
repaired sidewalks in the following areas.
Ward 2 (DeMond): Alta vista Drive/Beale Avenue
Monterey Street/Bernard Street
Truxtun Avenue/Golden State Avenue
Oak Street/Union Avenue
Ward 3 (Smith): Columbus Street/Panorama Drive
Mt Vernon Avenue/Fairfax Road
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BAKERSFIELD
PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
MEMORANDUM
March 20, 1996
TO: Alan Tandy, City Manager
FROM: Raul M. Rojas, Public Works Direc
SUBJECT: Vacation of Pedestrian Walkway on east side of Lakeview Avenue, south of
Viriginia Avenue (in Tract No. 1286)
Marcus C. Johnson has requested vacation of the pedestrian walkway which provides
pedestrian access between Lakeview Avenue and South Haley Street, south of Virginia
Avenue. Mr. Johnson, who resides in Los Angeles, Qwns a quadruplex complex abutting
the south side of the walkway and cites numerous acts of vandalism emanating from the
pedestrian access (See attached PIC staff report).
Mr. Johnson submitted his abandonment request (by letter) directly to the Public Works
Department and to our knowledge has not contacted the Ward One councilperson, Irma
Carson.
Public Works is now processing this request and has requested that the proposed
abandonment go before Planning Commission at the April 4, 1996 meeting to determine
consistency with the Bakersfield 2010 General Plan pursuant to Government Code Section
65402. No council action has been scheduled as of yet on this matter.
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PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
MEMORANDUM
TO: STAN GRADY, PlANNING DIRECTOR
FROM:' hACQ liES LAROCHELLE, ENGINEER IV . DESIGN
DATE: MARCH 19, 1996
SUBJECT: REQUEST ITEM ON PlANNING COMMISSION AGENDA
Please place the following item on the April 4, 1996 Planning Commission Agenda for a General Plan
Consistency finding pursuant to Government Code Section 65402:
The vacation of the 10 foot wide "Pedestrian Way" between
Lakeview Avenue and South Haley Street in Tract No, 1286.
Public Works also requests that the Planning Division provide for the filing of a Notice of Exemption pursuant
to c.E.Q.A.
See enclosed staff report for further information.
Applicant: MARCUS C. JOHNSON
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Planning Commission
Meeting of April 4, 1996
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APPLICANT: MARCUS C. JOHNSON
LOCATION OF PRO~ECT:
Between Lakeview Avenue and South Haley Street southerly of Virginia Avenue (in Tract No. 1286).
PROJECT DESCRIPTION:
Vacation of the 10 foot wide "Pedestrian Way" constructed and dedicated as part of Tract No. 1286.
PROJECT ANAL YSIS: -
Marcus C. Johnson, owner of Lots 13 and 14 abutting the south side of the pedestrian walkway, has listed
numerous acts of vandalism emanating from the fenced in walkway. Mr. Johnson owns a quardruplex on the
2 lots and has made vast improvements on his property located in a blighted area. He also cites pedestrians
and vagrants in the walkway have repeatedly thrown rocks and broken his windows, completely destroyed a
new 6 foot wooden fence along his side of the walkway and created an eyesore. The lots along the north side
of the walkway are vacant and Mr. Johnson states that vacating and removing the walkway will eliminate most
of his problems.
The utility companies have been notified by mail and none have indicated any existing facilities within the
pedestrian walkway (easement) and have no objection tp the proposed vacation.
The City Public Works, Fire, Police, Development Services and Economic Development Departments have
been notified and none have objected to the closing.
All property owners within a 300 foot radius of the proposed closing area are being notified by mail and asked
for any objection or comments on the proposal.
RECOMMENDED ACfION:
A motion pursuant to Government Code Section 65402 to find the vacation of the 10 foot "Pedestrian
Walkway" between Lakeview Avenue and South Haley Street in Tract No. 1286 consistent with the
Metropolitan Bakersfield 2010 General Plan.
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PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
MEMORANDUM
TO: Alan Tandy, City Manager
FROM: Raul M. Rojas, Public Works Di ctor ~
DATE: March 21, 1996
SUBJECT: RESPONSE TO A REQUEST FOR UPDATE
Attached you will find a status report concerning the Riverlakes
Median Island Landscaping, as requested by
Councilmember Kevin McDermott.
If you have any questions, please call me.
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PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
MEMORANDUM
TO: Raul Rojas - Public Works Director
FROM: f Jacquc, LaRochelle - Eag;neec IV
DATE: March 20, 1996
SUBJECT: Riverlakes Median Island Landscaping
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Existing median islands in the Riverlakes development were constructed through assessment district
proceedings, but landscaping was not part of the assessment district improvements. Median island landscaping
in Riverlakes Ranch has typically occurred with the first adjacent development. This is why only a portion
of the Hageman Road median between Coffee Road and Riverlakes Drive is landscaped - it is adjacent to the
developed residential Tract 5476 on the north side of Hageman Road. Olive Drive median landscaping has
been developing in the same manner.
Tentative Tract 5363 covers the entire Unibel portion of the Riverlakes project. Phase I of this tract recorded
several years ago, and has boundaries of Riverlakes Drive, Hageman Road, Olive Drive, and Coffee Road.
An agreement with security is maintained for improvements within Phase 1 that have not yet been completed.
These improvements include some sidewalk, walls, and landscaping including the median island landscaping
in Hageman Road.
Hageman Road between Riverlakes Drive and the Friant-Kern Canal is within that portion of Tentative Tract
5363 shown as Phase 3, which has not yet been submitted for recordation. However, a portion of Phase 3 was
deeded to the high school district, and Centennial High School was constructed fronting Hageman Road. No
fees were collected from the district for median island landscaping as the high school land transaction was
accomplished without the benefit of the subdivision process, which is legal for public entities. If a map had
been filed, the subdivider would have been required to either landscape the median or pay a fee toward future
landscaping of the median. Landscaping of this portion of the Hageman Road median island will occur when
development adjacent to the north side of Hageman Road occurs along this segment.
The landscaping in the median island in Coffee Road is shown on the RiverlakeslUnibel specific plan,
However this median island landscaping, evidently since it is on the boundary of the specific plan, has a
notation that states "Reflects design intent only. Installation responsibilities to be determined." It has been
staffs understanding that median island landscaping would be installed at the time the linear park along the
west side of Coffee Road is installed, and the specific plan states this linear park is required to be installed
when a subdivision tract phase adjacent to Coffee Road records (this has not occurred yet), This
understanding is further supported with the landscape agreement for Phase I of Tract 5363. Tract 5363 also
has the requirement to landscape the median island in Coffee Road, but the landscape improvement
agreement does not secure this landscaping instead referring back to the deferral allowed by the above clause
of the specific plan.
The new Von's shopping center at the southeast corner of Hageman Road and Coffee Road will be
completing the median island along their frontage with their development (Due to the median width in this
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area, hardscape is all that is required.). Parcel Map 10054, located at the northwest corner of Olive Drive and
Coffee Road, has the requirement of installing and completing the median islands along both it's Olive Drive
and Coffee Road frontages. Again, due to the ultimate width of the median island along this project's
frontage, the completion of the Olive Drive median island will consist of only hatdscape. However, both
hardscape and landscaping will be installed in the median island in Coffee Road. There is an agreement with
security in-place for these improvements, which wiIJ occur with ultimate development of the project.
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PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
MEMORANDUM
March 20, 1996
TO: Alan Tandy, City Manager .J!'l
FROM: Raul Rojas, Public Works Dirt:~
RE: CITY COUNCIL REFERRAL #WFOOO8196/001
WARD 1 - ILLEGAL TRASH DUMPING
This referral has two issues. Staff has prepared the following responses accordingly.
1. Illegal Trash Dumping
This is an old issue which will be greatly reduced if and when the County
Supervisors require universal collection. However, there are some things staff
is doing to reduce the problem:
a) Preparing a brochure to help citizens know how, when, and
where to dispose of unwanted items. This may be circulated by
neighborhood groups and by code enforcement officers when
dealing with property owners.
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b) Planning and budgeting a monthly free disposal event for
unwanted items.
c) Attempting to clean up trash piles on a complaint basis, as time
and resources allow. We anticipate spreading available
resources further with future implementation of a monthly
disposal event mentioned above.
d) Waiting for State approval of a M.O.V. with Alternative
Programs Inc. to provide free labor for expanding our clean up
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ALAN TANDY, CITY MANAGER
RE: CITY COUNCIL REFERRAL #WFOO8196/001
March 20, 1996
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2. Alleged Failure to Pick Up Half Full Containers
The only residential containers that go un serviced are those that are
improperly placed (refuse or greenwaste carts), or those greenwaste carts that
contain trash. Both the City and contractor crews are rendering regular
service to those residents that follow collection system rules. Crews are
continually spot-checking and leaving information tags on carts which are in
violation.
This complaint may have originated with the obsolete 300 gallon alley
containers which are currently being removed from service. Due to a lack of
bids for sale of this surplus equipment, the containers have remained in the
alleys for a few extra weeks.
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,'" City of Bakersfield *REPRINT*
.' WORK REQUEST PAGE 1
¡ P~Q/JOB: WFOO08196 1 001 PROJECT: DATE PRINTED: 3/07/96
-.- REQUEST DATE: 3/06/96
~.,~W: SCHEDULE DATES
START: 3/06/96
LOCATION: COMPLETION: 3/20/96
GEN. LOC: WARD 1 FACILITY NODES
FROM:
FACILITY ID: TO:
REF NBR: COUNCIL :::n'M'l'
RE8 DEPT: CITY COUNCIL REFERRAL PRIORITY: HIGH
RE UESTOR: REFERRAL - CARSON ORIGIN: CITY COUNCIL REFERRAL
WORK TYPE: REFERRAL
DESCRIPTION: ILLEGAL TRASH DUMPING
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REQUEST COMMENTS
***REFERRAL TO PUBLIC WORKS - SOLID WASTE***
CARSON REQUESTED STAFF LOOK INTO THE ISSUE OF
ILLEGAL TRASH DUMPING AND THE FAILURE TO PICK UP
HALF FULL CONTAINERS AND PROVIDE HER WITH AN
UPDATE.
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TO: Jake Wager, Economic Development Director
FROM: Myra McArthur, Planning Technician)l.)I.{ .
SUBJECT: Graffiti Update
Hot Line
There were 261 calls in February. We received 67 calls from CDBG areas, 126 from the South
West, and 68 from other parts of town. Program staff continues to promote the Adopt-A-Wall
program and recruited 12 people this month (10 for the South West, 1 for CDBG, and 1 for the North
East area). The total number of Adopt-A-Wall volunteers up to this date is 158.
Community Activities I
Five graffiti paint-out projects were perfonned in February. A Church youth group and a community
youth group painted over graffiti in CDBG areas, and three Scout groups did it in the South West.
All together these activities involved 42 community volunteers.
1996 Anti-Graffiti Poster & Essay Contest
This year, Program staff has fonned an anti-graffiti contest committee that is very helpful and full
of creative ideas. The theme for this year is Beautify Your City, Eradicate Graffiti. It will involve
all fourth and fifth grade students in the Bakersfield City School District. The contest will be from
April 9 through the 23rd.
Program staff and three committee members will be doing anti-graffiti presentations throughout the
School District during the last week of March and all month of April. The purpose of the
presentations is to infonn the students of the consequences of tagging and the effect of graffiti on
our community. Students are also encouraged to participate in the contest and express their ideas
in a creative manner. Eleven participating schools have already requested presentations. The
presentations will be addressed to about 250 students from each school.
A calendar featuring some of the most outstanding entries will be published in Mayas part of a
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congratulatory package for the students. Up to this date, we have 19 sponsors. Seventeen local
business have made a $100 contribution each; Jack In The Box will contribute 500 milk-shake
certificates, a $750 value; and Dimples Family Fun Center will contribute close to $1,000 in gift
certificates.
Stiern Junior High School's Drama students will write and perfonn an anti-graffiti skit, while the
school's Honor Choir will sing a couple of numbers at the A wards Ceremony to be held at 6:30 p.m.,
on Thursday, May 23, 1996, at the Stella Hills auditorium.
xc: Vince Zaragoza, Principal Planner, Comm. Dev. Dept.
Ed Kuehn, Assistant Superintendent, Public Works Dept.
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A DAY OF DIALOGUE ON RACE RELATIONS
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Bakersfield Californian and Mike Jenner, the Managing Editor. We
want to thank you. We appreciate you for that understanding and
that sensitivity that you have expressed to our community today in
your paper.
At this time, it gives me great pleasure to introduce
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unless we can learn to hear dissent without putting a label on it."
I Let's try to do that today. Let's. not label because somebody
disagrees with us what they mayor may not be, but instead let's
I hear it. It they're wrong, let's try to help them understand it
and correct it.
And finally, I'll give you a brief quote from the Bible
and then I'm going to sit down and listen. And the Bible says in
one place that, you know, "Why do you look at the speck in your
neighbor's eye when you don't even bother to look at the log that
is in your own?" So each of us have our own problems, prejudices,
likes or dislikes, whether we like to admit it or not. So as we
begin to question and dialogue and talk about what has gone wrong
with us, let's be sure to look inside that we have judged ourselves
properly as well.
Have a great day because this is a good start, and I
think you can have a great deal of meeting. Thank you very much.
MS. IRMA CARSON: Thank you, Mayor. At this time, I'd like
to bring forth City Councilwoman of the Third Ward, Pat smith.
MS. PAT SMITH: Thank you very much. It's a real pleasure
for me to be here today, and I especially want to thank Irma Carson
for making this day possible, because I don't know that it would
have come about if it hadn't been for Irma's hard work and efforts
put forward. And it's a pleasure for me to be here with you
because I'm going to share with you some of my ideas having to do
with the statement of purpose today, and some of the most important
things that we do in everyday life is to try and get along with
other people. Most of us succeed. Some of us don't.
Two things that I learned from my mom and dad were to be
tolerant of other people and how to compromise. Right now, here in
Bakersfield, California, we need to be tolerant of each other and
learn how to get along better. Let's find out why we sometimes
have problems that develop into verbal confrontations or escalate
into violent situations, and these situations might be driven by
our own ethnic differences. And let's use today to find out what
some of the driving forces are that create these cracks in our
social structure.
Let's find out what has worked in the past, and let's
find out if some of these things could work in the future. I
believe we always need to have a vision or a plan for everything,
and that includes how to get beyond some of our differences, to
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to be a bank manager. Now he's the Director of the Personnel
Department of the County of Kern. And Kay is the moderator, so
it's your turn to take over. Kay.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Clear my throat. Okay. A couple of house-
keeping items that I'm supposed to tell you about -- the restrooms
are directly outside these doors -- and there was one other thing
that you wanted me to say. Oh, the speakers' cards are out front.
The sessions are being recorded, and that's so that we can take
minutes from what you're presenting for us, and some of the things
we may have to get back to you on,
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invited to sit here this morning, and that is because I represent
a minority community, the Jewish community, which certainly has
experienced its share of persecution and oppression throughout
history and still today in some lesser degree in our own community.
And I believe that I represent a community that has successfully
interacted with the local media to dispel stereotypes and to impart
information which has been to the benefit of my community
certainly, but I think also to all of us. The job of media is to
inform, and I think that I have something to offer with respect to
teaching others how to work with media.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Ron?
MR. RON FINEMAN: I almost don't know where to begin, but
maybe one of the things is that I've done a lot of these shows on
the talk show that I've had for a while, so I can imagine some of
the comments that are going to come along. So I can start by
answering one of them already, and I know there's a perception --
again, having done this many times, this topic on my show -- that
people make every time there's a crime we're prone to show a black
alleged criminal but not a white alleged criminal, and I've refuted
this many times. At least that is certainly no conscious pattern,
and I don't even think it's an objective reality.
But I know it's a legitimate concern, and I know when I
had Pastor Kimbrough on my show, he said, "You know, whether or not
it's exactly happening, that's the perception we have and that's
the perception you have to deal with." And that's probably one of
the things we can talk about today, and'that is certainly we make
no conscious effort to show any type of particular race in any
particular negative position, bl,lt we try to judge each story on its
own merit without regard to race. So that's a starting point.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Jack?
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It's like the Supreme Court Justice who was talking about
the definition of pornography. . He said, "I can't define it, but I
know it when I see it." I think that's very much the same thing in
the definition of news. Each consumer of news has a different
definition of what it ought to be to that person, and in the effort
to balance those diverse needs in terms of news, many times our
focus is perhaps too broad to deal with specific issues, and maybe
we can get into some of those things today to narrow the focus as
it relates to human relations.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Mary Helen?
MS. MARY HELEN BARRO: I, too, am delighted to be here, and
thank you, Irma, for starting this. Thanks to the City of Bakers-
field, members of the Council for supporting your efforts -- Pat,
you included, and as the newly elected president of the Kern County
Human Relations Commission, I want to welcome you here, and we are
delighted to be here and to be participating. Several of our
fellow commissioners will be here later on, and Milton Andrews is
here, one of our commissioners, this morning and we'll have more
coming later during the day. And our purpose in being here is to
bring the city and the county together in what is a vital effort if
our community is to prosper and grow the way we all want it to go.
And I want to thank you all for being here.
I'll reserve the rest of my comments for later, but I did
want to tell you that in participating in this media panel, I was
a print and broadcast journalist for fifteen years, and I've done
it all, whether it was a field reporter, anchor, editor, producer,
director of programs and now most recently as an owner. So any
contribution that I can make from that perspective, I'll be happy
to do. Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Okay. Irma has told me that we
will stay on time, and that we will do, and we will start by the
first public speaker that we will call on will be Wesley X.
Crawford. Wesley?
MR. WESLEY CRAWFORD: G.::)d morning, ladies and gentlemen.
The reason why I'm asking to speak in front of you this morning is
just because I know that we need to start dialogue, and we need to
open up concerns that especially affect me as an African-American
male in Kern County.
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One of the things that I will say is that I am apart of
Bakersfield College and Cal state College Black Men on Campus. Not
only do we do tutoring, mentoring, and other things, but we
constantly do things throughout the community led by Lee Adams at
Cal state and also led by Jesse Bradford up at Bakersfield College.
So there are a lot of things that we're doing. And we would like
to see the media,
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MR. JACK BOWE: I would just say once again it's an
exaggeration, "never. " It's not true. You do. We do do those
stories. We did a story not too long ago on -- I forget the exact
name of the group, but the first Friday of every month, a group of
African-American businesspeople have a meeting. We did a story on
that. It was positive. And then to hear we don't do that story is
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which we read as being negative, that we do have some control in
making news. When my community has a program or a holiday or
something that we want to share as an opportunity to disseminate
information about us, we don't wait for the media to come to us.
We will call them, and it's not just a matter of dropping press
releases on everybody's doorstep. It's a matter of making personal
contacts with people who work in the media and building relation-
ships with them so that we can have a say in what appears in the
newspapers and what we hear on radio and television.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you, Rabbi.
MR. JACK BOWE: I think media does change. It changes
dramatically. We just don't like to admit that we change because
that means what we did before perhaps wasn't perfect, and we're all
human like anyone else.
I do think the rabbi makes a very important observation.
We many times don't know, can't act, unless we somehow are informed
about a problem, a process, an opportunity, a recognition, and I
agree that we do a lot more of the positive stories dealing with
all segments' of the community. Negative news, just like a train
wreck, tends to be reinforced in the minds of all of us as
observers. I think it's because we probably don't label them as
well, or maybe we don't make them as prominent. The Californian,
as much as it's done to increase coverage, it's also increased the
prominence of stories that deal with the community, and I think,
you know, you're to be applauded for that. So I think it's a
question of focus.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you, Jack. Okay, one of the things
that -- excuse me just one second. One of the things that I would
like to tell the panelists is we're going to have to cut you to a
minute, and the reason why we're going to have to do that is
because people -- you have a question, but let me go through the
speakers. If I could get you to hold your question because we're
on a time schedule, and I've got three cards. If you'd like to
speak, you can go outside and get a card and fill it out. Oh,
okay. Okay. Okay. Why don't you -- after the speaker, let's do
it, okay? Okay. Deion Johnson? Devon Johnson, I'm sorry.
MR. DEVON JOHNSON: How are you doing this morning? My
question for the media is that it seems to be whenever a black
leader is talked about or wrote upon in your newspaper, there seems
to be a villainization of the leader -- for instance, like
Farracon. When I read articles about him in the newspaper or hear
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stories about him on the news, it seems like he's villainized.
He's called an anti-semitic and other things, but then you never
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Ward 1 area that I'm talking about. This urban renewal done took
its toll. In the west area, they don't even have a community.
This is what's scaring me, at the time expansion of this selenium
and what's taking place. Now, I ain't got nothing to say about the
media or none of you people up here, especially Ms. Carson. We
done worked together. There's a lot of things me and her just
talked about private with the door shut, and she ain't responded to
those, but she didn't label me I scream, I holler, I do this, I do
that. That's what I don't understand. I'm not pointing no finger
at her, but today you can judge for yourself.
Now, the association coalitions that's in our community,
the high official leaders that's within our community -- you know
what I'm saying? What is you fighting for? We don't have a
community. Where's our community center be at? This is what this
thing -- it ain't about your color, or his color, or your color.
It's the characteristics of you, and what you're doing. See, it
ain't the color. See, that's where you got it twisted, and got it
based on, and projecting that. You see me, you're projecting me
now, label me as a banger. Yeah, I used to be one, but by the
grace of God, he done touched me, right, to lift my people, and
they're listening to me.
See, we don't have no leader. You can sit them in your
position. We ain't listening. We coming up out of the community
ourselves. We are merging our own government, learning how to take
our own responsibilities. That's what you really want to hear.
That's what we're doing. This is what the black man is doing today
within our community. There's a lot of coalitions in here that
need to come hear what we're talking about, not up here, because we
the one got to change. It ain't the people here. They've been
doing this for thirty years.
Look at the community, down in total disrepair. They got
a supermarket for dogs out there. What about our community? , These
are the things that I'm talking about, and a lot of you know I'm
not lying. These are the things that I'm talking about, but
remember I'm a racist. I'm a racist. It ain't your color. How
you carry and reflect yourself in life is what I'm judging. You
ain't did nothing. You ain't fixed to do nothing. You sit in a
stage up here for these people. That's a shame. You're pointing
a finger already pointed at you. We ain't got to point no fingers.
For what? Every day we out here getting trucks. You ain't got
that on the media. Cleaning yards, doing carpet -- you ain't got
that on the media. She'll tell you.
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I I is deceiving to the public that has no awareness of what's going on
in Kern county, in the city.
And that's really one of the reasons I'm here because--
and maybe that's why you haven't got a very good crowd because
based on these numbers, we haven't got a problem in Bakersfield.
But based on that, there's a lot of discrimination going on, and
let me address the media. Let me address the Californian. I'm
involved in a class action lawsuit against Chevron U.S.A. In 1987,
we won a class certification against Chevron U.S.A. Some of the
people in the class took the news, the documentation, to the
Californian.
The Californian did not print that article immediately.
We had to go to the Californian -- two weeks later, the article
came out. It wouldn't have came had not we went down there and put
pressure on them to print the paper. We stated that we were a
citizen and a subscriber to the Bakersfield Californian. Trihey
was the guy. He wrote the article and a kindergartner could have
wrotten a better article than he did because he left out a lot of
the pertinent information.
So there is much racial discrimination in the media. You
read a lot of articles. Sometimes you read about a bank robbery.
We know Morales. We know who Morales is if he robs a bank. But
sometimes we don't know who Smith and Jones is, and a lot of times
you read articles, so what I -- let me suggest this to the
Californian. If you're going to put a name in the article, put a
race with it, and then that way when we read the article, we don't
have to wonder if it's white or black. We know who it is.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Margie Stansberry. Marque
stansberry.
MR. MARQUE STANSBERRY: I want to thank Ms. Carson and the
various boards and individuals in the community for putting this
together. I think it's a worthy effort and there's a lot of true
convictions behind it, so I'd like to thank Ms. Carson and the
group for getting together.
My question was to Mr. Ron Fineman, and I know Ron --
he's a fine young man. And I heard you talking in response to
Wesley's statement about positive stories. I've seen positive
stories on your channel. I've been a part of one of your positive
programs. My point of difference with your statement was when you
discussed the issue of reality and perception, and that's where I
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MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you.
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(UNKNOWN): I'm not used to speaking. I'm a writer. I write
for television and I write screenplays, and I am in the media. I
go to various humanist seminars and I speak with a lot of producers
from the different television shows who have an interesting way of
looking at race relations. And I'm not a speaker, so pardon me if
I'm a little nervous.
I have a problem with saying that shows show positive
images and have positive images, and we do this on a continuous
basis. The problem that I have is not that you do that, but to
what degree. My suggestion is if you were to look at a Sunday
morning -- which I know has a lot bigger budget and a lot more time
-- on a continuous basis, there are white stories, black stories,
Hispanic stories, etcetera. If you could just put two to three
minutes each day of different individuals and their positive
stories, I think people would have a sense, week after week after
week, that these individuals are being seen. The problem is not
that you put them on. To me the problem is the degree.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Charles West.
MR. CHARLES WEST: Yes, thank you. I think as Kay has
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Bakersfield. Then I left there and I went to the community college
in 1989 whereby we instituted a law that's called Assembly Bill
1725. So I have a pretty good ear for how people feel about race
relations here in Bakersfield because I'm an outsider looking in,
and I have worked with race relations over thirty years, so I'm
going to try to comment on a few of the topics.
To the media: one thing that I would like for you to do
because it troubles a lot of individuals that read the newspaper
and watch television, but there's one thing that they don't
understand initially" and that is how you report percentages within
groups, i. e., when you talk about welfare, you say twenty-five
percent of the African-Americans are on welfare. Okay, that's
fine, but what I would like for you to do, if you take a look at I
your article today where -- and this is not negative, this is .
positive -- where you say that twenty thousand African-Americans in !
Kern County in 1990 -- twenty-five percent of that, okay, is a
very, very small number, a very small number. You're talking five
thousand people.
Now, take a look at six hundred thousand Caucasians, for
an example, and see how many of those are on welfare. If it's only
- ten percent, then it's sixtY-five thousand, so what I would like
for you to do on your next welfare report, report it in dollars.
Tell where the money is going, where it's being spent, because let
me tell you something. If you think welfare's going away, it's
not. Because if African-Americans were the only people that were
benefitting from that, it would go away. But they are not, not by
a long shot. So that's something you can do positive, both in all
of our,medias to help us. And I hope I don't take up too much of
your time, but I would like to address two or three of these
topics, so if it's okay, I will be back. Thank you.
- MR. KAY MADDEN: Okay, thank'you. Okay. Reverend George
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REV. GEORGE LARTIGUE: I apologize for not being here to do
the Prayer of Democracy but I just returned from Los Angeles last
evening. And while I was there -- and again, I want to thank Irma
Carson and the supervisors who were very instrumental in
formulating this forum, this dialogue -- and the purpose is to
br ing about some pos i ti ves, bring about some changes. This is what
I see, and I have been in the field of working with individuals for
years, and I'm very concerned about what happens in the media. You
have some good things happen, but there are also some things that
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are not so good as we have been looking at. And the idea is to
bring about some changes.
To give you an example, when I was a civil rights
director in Dayton, Ohio, the press came to me for a number of
issues and articles and they would bring the article to me before
it was even published to make sure that everything I said was the
way I said it. And I've been misquoted in the Californian on a
number of occasions, so I'd like to see that come about whereby at
least a person can look at the article and make sure that this is
what this person has said.
And also in line with that, in terms of the Black History
we have the little profile which was referred to earlier. I'd like
to see something to that effect on a daily basis -- not just a
little profile, but -- even when I looked at the one the other day
about Mohammed Ali, it said his career was overshadowed with
political and religious issues. That was a negative, so I would
like to see us become more positive. And the African-American has
contributed a lot to this country, and I'd like to see the history
not belabored as Black history but as American history because we
are all Americans. Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Denise Pandol.
MS. DENISE PANDOL: Never on the front page was there
anything positive about race. On the front page there's something
. Well, it's a step. It's a step. We got
to glve a credit where credit is due, right? Okay. The other
point that I just wanted to make. Out of all fairness, I'm going
to a panelist next, so I'll have my day in the sun.
But anyway, regarding the mention of the Nation of Islam,
and feeling as though there was unfair representation in the media
about Louis Farracon being an anti-semite and having an M.A.
degree, Masters of Arts degree in International Relations that's
emphasized Arab-Israeli relations and dealt with Islamic
fundamentalism, I'd just like to say that the reason why the media
looks at a representative of the Nation of Islam, Le., Louis
Farracon, as somebody who's anti -Semitic because he met with
leaders 1n the Arab world that help manage State-sponsored
terrorism against Jews and Christians throughout the international
community, particularly in the Middle East and the United States.
So if you're concerned about him being labeled as an anti-Semite,
he has an ongoing relationship, and as you know, he just met with
Muhmoar Khaddafi from Libya, the leadership, the Sheite leadership
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in Iran' and as well as the Muslim representative or president of
the nation of Syria. So this is why he has an anti-semitic
reputation, becaùse he has allied himself with these individuals.
Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Kenneth Johnson. Kenneth
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on the speech on C-Span. He said "these bloodsuckers," talking
about Jews. That's a direct quote, and that is, in my opinion,
that's a Jew-hater. It's pretty easy to see that.
And I remember a woman calling me up and said,' "Well, do
you feel that way about David?" I said, "Of course, I do." And it
occurred to me that here I was talking about Louis Farracon, who is
clearly a racist, but because I'm white, she thought I'm going to
think some Klansman is not a racist. Well, I don't like Klansmen
any better. A racist is a racist no matter what color ,their skin.
That's what I said on the air and that's what I say now. There is
no excuse for hating somebody or calling names because of their
race or their relïgion, and it doesn't matter what their color is.
I will call a racist a racist if they appear to be racist to me and
make racist coInplents. It doesn't matter what their color is.
And again, I understand, I think it was Devon's comments
about "Why do you vilify leaders?" And maybe that is a perception,
and it shouldn't be that way. Louis Farracon,I think, asks for
it. In fact, my feeling is maybe he even kind of enjoys it, but
that's just an opinion.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Okay, to be fair to everybody --
MR. RON FINEMAN: Okay, I'll'stop.
MR. KAY MADDEN: -- I'm going to cut Ron off, too. Who would
like to go next? Jack?
MR. JACK BOWE: Let me make a few points. First of all, if
you've worked in the media you know that it's a struggle to get
your product on the air or in print,' much less to launch a
conspiracy, and I, don't think any of us, for all,our shortcomings,
go into an issue with the intent that there's a media conspiracy to
sway public opinion. I just don't think it exists, nationally or
certainly locally.
A lot of the issues that were brought up at this point
have to do with either testimony, public statements or issues that
we need to report as part ,of the free flow of information. If we
don't, I submit we're not part of a news-gathering organization.
Let me give you, an example. The Farracon issue, we've talked
about. The Millers ...;- testimony during their criminal case:
there's enough explosives there to blow' up the neighborhood.
Certainly that flies in the face of some issues of being a
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sisters not because I'm related to them, because when you see the
color of my skin, you see them, and when you see them, you see me.
And when you put in the newspaper repeatedly about a brother of
color that have
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MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you, John. You just found out what
a minute really is.
MR. JOHN STINSON: It's too short.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Peter?
MR. PETER LOMELY: Good morning. My name is Peter Lomely.
I've been with the County of Kern Personnel Department for a
little over twenty years in the area of the human resource
development. I am a long-time resident of Kern County. I've
been involved for many, many years in civil rights struggles and
I hope that in today's dialogue, I can hear èomments, questions
that my experience and history can help you, and also hope to
hear comments from you that will help me in what I do
professionally. Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Ruby?
MS. RUBY KELLY: Good morning. My name is Ruby Kelly. I
work for Employers Training Resource, and we have been for many,
many years one of the leaders in both job training, and job
placement here in Kern County. And in the era of shrinking
resources, we anticipate that we will also be a leader in
collaboration and sharing of resources as we move into the --
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. patricia?
MS. PATRICIA NORRIS: Good morning. I'm Patricia Norris,
and I'm a commissioner on the Human Relations Commission for the
County~' Just a brief background -- I was born and bred in
Bakersfield. I had the opportunity to leave here for twenty
years, and when I carne back, I can say that there have been a lot
of changes in Bakersfield, but we have a long way to go. So
today I'd like to hear what you have to say.' This morning,I
heard a lot of anger and pain, and I realize that that is part of
it, but I'd like to see this be a forum for some positive
changes, and we want to do that today.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Reverend Lartigue?
RÉV. GEORGE LARTIGUE: I'm Reverend George Lartigue, and
I'm an employee of the Ebony Counseling Center, the Assistant
Director, and I'm also on the Private Industry Council,'
Chairperson of the Oversight and Information System committee,
and as my involvement with that committee, I do go to a number of
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providers who train individuals for jobs, and as a psycho-
therapist, I see the other end of the spectrum, the ones who have
had jobs and have lost them, and part of my responsibility as a
psychotherapist is to try and help those individuals regain their
self-esteem, self-image, and to become a viable member of society
again after having been put down from losing a job or not getting
promoted. So that's my role, and this I'm very pleased to see,
and to see you, and I like the dialogue, and I'm sure something
good will come out of this. Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Okay, we'll get right into it,
and we'll start with David Williams. And remember, speakers, you
have three minutes, and I will raise my finger when you have one
minute left.
MR. DAVID WILLIAMS: Yes. Otherwise as unemployment, I
don't see where it did any help within the Ward 1 area, so I'm
not going to embarrass you, because like I say, the finger
already pointed there. But -- where are you from? What is it
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Do that got to do anything with race? I think not.
It's your promise. I'm talking about characteristics. We've got
a history. You may not know nothing about this coalition. We
got history. We done dealt with these people. We done talked to
these people. I'm not trying to corne and tell nothing, but I'm
telling you we done dealt with these people. Before all this has
merged up -- we done dealt with these people, talked with these
people, stressed the concerns of a people that sleep, and people
predatorizing on them people.
Now, I understand your position. I understand it. But
if you going to take that seat of authority, do something with
it. Help the people. stop taking these positions that ain't
doing nothing. It ain't my job to get educated and come into a
position that's already there. You're there. My position is in
the street every day, stopping what I trend, that gang-banging
and that killing. You can't stop it. I can. But I need
support. These brothers is getting this stink, they done all --
this is a war. The devil wages war worse than Vietnam. I'm
losing them. with this urban renewal, I'm losing them.
Unemployment -- I'm sorry.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Okay. Your time is up.
MR. DAVID WILLIAMS: Okay. I'll be back.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Fine. He will. Okay, Devon Johnson.
MR. DEVON JOHNSON: 'Back again.
MR. KAY MADDEN: One at a time. You know, let's really try
to stay' away from the personal attacks. You know, just make --
MR. DEVON JOHNSON: Okay.
MR. KAY MADDEN: -- your statement.
MR. DEVON JOHNSON: Okay. Well, I only got three minutes"
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more penitentiaries, you know. And through this employment, who
would want to provide these jobs when forty percent of us are in
the penal system? They don't want to employ people like that,
you know. They're unemployable by your labels. You know, and so
what are these people going to do for -- who's going to employ
these people?
We've got to employ our own. We got to establish our
own businesses so we can employ our own people, and put our own
people back to work. We've got to quit looking for the outsiders
that don't have any interest in our community outside of money.
That's the only interest these people have, these people who want
to come in. Really, I don't know who they are, because I don't
see the stick. Just like the brother said earlier, we don't have
one grocery store -- not one, but we have sixty-five churches,
you know. They got a supermarket for dogs out there. You can
take your dog something, and they're talking about building
another one. But when are they going talk about building some
supermarkets and some economic stability -- our own gas station.
We got to always go outside our community and put our money in
other people's community so it's all the leakage, it doesn't come
back.
And it's got to start with the employment, but if we
wait for these outsiders who never meant any good for us in the
first place to come give us a job, it's never going to happen.
We got to establish our own jobs. Our community needs
rebuilding. We got three hundred vacant lots, so I know we got
houses to build. I know -- and when the community in need such
as ours, it can be rezoned and put businesses up in there. All
the protocol with the City shouldn't even matter any more because
it hasn't worked for us to begin with.
So we got to start coming with our own solutions and
bringing our own jobs. If it means -- like me and my partners do
-- we get trucks and we just get them doing yard services.
That's a start, you know. We might not have a tag the first, but
we're going to go out there and cut some yards. We're taking a
chance the police might take our truck. Taking it -- you know,
what? That's the law, yes, but drastic times take drastic
measures.
We're going to provide our own jobs. We're not looking
for no mor~ outsiders, no more slave drivers coming in and taking
the money outside our community. It's all going to start staying
here, and it's going to start'with our own economic development,
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and it's going to start by employing our own people, and I'm not
just talking about black people. I'm talking about all the
people affected in this neighborhood out here, all the youth.
Like I say, there's forty percent of us in the penal system. I'm
on probation myself, you know. It's real easy in the atmosphere
I live in to get caught up in something you're already a suspect,
you know.
So if we're going to bring some jobs and economic
development, we got to start right here in our community where
people who've been born and raised here, who know the conditions
and can create our jobs that are tailored to this community.
Outside solutio~ is not going to get it. It never has, and it's
not going to start. Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Charles E. West.
MR. CHARLES WEST: First of all, I want to thank you, Mr.
Madden for reminding us to stay on the topic and not allow this
to become a finger-pointing thing at individuals. But I just
need -- just for a moment, and Kay, please give me my one minute
so I can make sure I cover what I want to talk about.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Yes, S1.r.
MR. CHARLES WEST: And that is that some of us in the
community have information or have knowledge about certain things
that are going On that maybe other members don't. I need to just
address Mr. Parra just for a moment. I've worked during the
summer in a program that Employers Training Resource has been
responsible for cbtaining over 4.5 million 'dollars a year, I do I
believe, for the past five years that I've worked in the program. I
This program is called the Summer Youth Employment Training I
Program, and each year through Bakersfield College, we have beèn I
able to work with anywhere from thirty-five to fifty African- ' ,
American students and Hispanic students.
" ,There are a lot of success stories~ but you see, you
don't hear that. ' And I can see where some of you may be upset.
You may not feel that nothing is being done, but some things are
happening, and it's through the efforts of others. '
Then I observed when we were notified by the Congress
and the Senate of a passage of a bill that w9U¡d affect qur-
Summer Youth Program -- ma~ter of fact,' I think the last
information that we received that they were not going to fund
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that program. Well, I know the effort, the campaign that was put
on by Employers Training Resource because they gave a call for
spokespersons and whatnot, and a lot of us came with a letter-
writing campaign to try to defeat that. We haven't been
successful, but we're still working on it, so keep it up. You're
not perfect, but keep your head up.
Okay, now -- thank you. All right. Employment -- that
is real~y why we all are here. That's really the bottom line for
everything that we do or don't do. It's employment. It's about
jobs. Okay, now, as one of the -- my job at Bakersfield College
that is to assist in the employment of every student that
graduates from that college that asks for assistance. Those that
are attending the college, I assist, I look for both part-time
and full-time employment. I have a staff of nine people that do
that. Now, but some of the things that we have in the records,
or in the different locations which make it difficulty for us as
educators to get our students prepared for the work force, and
one in particular I want to mention because it's something that
I'm working with Kay on now, and I heard some good things that
they're taking a look at it and hopefully, it may get overturned.
But there is a policy in the County of Kern that they
do not accept non-paid experience as experience for the job. In
other words, they say the experience for the job must be paid
exper1ence. Okay. Well, you see, now that was not developed to
separate historically underrepresented groups from the employment
force, but if you are a historically underrepresented person and
you are not getting a job and somebody tells you that, then you
feel that you are being discriminated against. See, so that's
not a good law. That needs to change, because those of us in
education, our whole aim is to -- because we've heard the
employer: "Send somebody with me with experience that know how
to do the job." Well, how can we get them experience? The
employer don't want to pay them because they don't have
exper1ence.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Time.
MR. CHARLES WEST: So we have them to volunteer to do it at
no cost to get experience. Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Okay. Mr. Rick Miltoor.
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MR. RICK MILTOOR: I am so -- thank you. I have a question
for the employers. I have the opportunity the past month to go
out in Bakersfield and try to find employment even though I don't
need employment. And I want to know why you have on the
application for the person seeking employment to put on the
application to report to the employer anything greater than a
traffic violation. And I don't know if brothers and sisters in
the community know that when you have accomplished a goal by the
woes of society to get a misdemeanor that the employer will go to
the next person. And if you have a felony, you don't get
employment.
So what happens to those individuals? And I would like
the employers to, you know, enlighten me on what happens to
brothers and sisters that have one felony that cannot get
employment. What do they do? They're going to go back into the
normal ways of trying to do things to feed their baby? Okay?
But you use those little, small, little tactics. You go to
school for that. You go to school and have workshops to learn
how to use these technical things, these psychological things in
order to eliminate a certain group of individuals, and that needs
to be told to these individuals that if you have a misdemeanor,
the likelihood of you getting employment is slim to none, and if
you have a felony, you should forget it. But ask the question so
that I would know.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. John Ortiz?
MR. JOHN ORTIZ: Thank you. My name is John Ortiz. I am
with the Department of Fair Employment and Housing here in
Bakersfield. Early on, somebody made a mention about the number
of complaints in the Bakersfield area. I don't have all the
statistics with me, but I can tell you that approximately fifteen
hundred and thirty, a hundred a forty, people make appointments
to come and see us every month. Out of those, between a hundred
or so actually show up, and we take anywhere from fifty to sixty
complaints of employment discrimination on a monthly båsis here
in Bakersfield. And I can also tell you that that's a very small
percentage of the amount of discrimination that exists in the
'community. But it's out there and a lot of people don't
çomplain.
Another statistic that I think is of interest is that
many times -- or with the development of the civil rights law
were intended -- or because there was discrimination against
minorities, specifically blacks. And the law has changed over
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the years, we are now discouraged, you know, for marital status,
disability and so forth. So it's broader coverage. So what has
occurred is that the numbers of people coming in for service
where at one time might have been minorities, the number of
people coming in for service by particular groups, we get a
higher Caucasian of complaints coming into our office. And over
fifty percent of the complaints that are being filed are on the
basis of sex, and a large portion are on sexual harassment.
So that gives me also another indication that there are
other problems not only related to race and minorities, but also
male-female situations that occur in the work force, and that is
something that we all have to be cognizant of. But I think that
the reality of this whole thing is that we need to decry or speak
out against discrimination, and it doesn't matter whether the
person that is doing it is black, ~hether he's white, whether
Hispanic -- discrimination is not right,
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national conspiracy, a personal conspiracy. I conceived them as
racist. For one thing, when I walk in a room even though I'm
wearing a lab coat and I sit down and do a complete history,
physical exam, I still have people say, "Okay, when will I see
the doctor?" We will never solve the problem of discrimination.
We will never solve it until we admit it exists. It's a very
painful process for us all to say, "I, too, have been racist."
I, too, have been racist.
I watched the'media people this morning when Mr. David
Williams got up with all those braids and started doing this to
them. They sort of went back into that defensive position~
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I'm not given the equal chance that a Caucasian would get. If I
get a level playing field, I'll be fine. But don't dismiss any
black, Hispanic that complains because you think it's just one of
those things. And I'm a victim of that, and Kay Madden knows
about it. Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Annie Langdeau? Annie
Langdeau. I'm sorry, Langdeau.
MS. ANNIE LANGDEAU: I'm here -- my name is Annie Langdeau.
I represent the Bakersfield Education Center for Native Indians,
and I wanted to speak when it came to education, not employment,
but since I have the chance, I work also with the State
Employment Office as a E.D.D. person who works with American
Indians trying to get them a job. And the reason we don't have
complaints coming to you at Fair Housing because we don't feel
that, you know, that anything is done about it. And as -- you
don't know that American Indians are very quiet. We're very
invisible. People say we're invisible, because we blend in with
all the other races. I'm not afraid to go down to Cottonwood
Road. I'm not afraid to go anywhere, because I feel that God is
with me as I travel.
But it's like everybody else says, is that it starts
with all of us. We all have to maybe prove ourselves to each
other, trust each other, and get away from the race issue and
help one another out. And as an American Indian employment
specialist, I have a problem with employers. They don't want to
hire the American Indian because they feel that we don't even
exist. We're not here. But we are here. We will be showing you
that in a few months.
And they don't want to hire them because they feel like
they're drunks or they won't work, and as soon as they get their
first paycheck, they're gone. And it's not true. That's
stereotyping. We're all being stereotyped out here, and it needs
to stop, you know. But how we're going to do it -- it's all up
to us. Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Archie Barefield?
MR. ARCHIE BAREFIELD: I'd like to thank John. John made
my point on these stats. If you take eleven versus 130 to 140
complaints a month, then you're looking at thirteen hundred to
fourteen hundred versus eleven a year. What I'd like to
recommend -- I made the speech a little earlier and a gentleman
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in the audience asked me, "Well, what do you do when you're
having problems on your job?" A lot of people don't know.
So a lot of people come to me and ask me, "What do you,
Arch? You know, what is the process?" And I would like for the
Commission to explain their roles, their powers, their duties,
and maybe that would help. You know, I read the article in the
paper today. It don't tell you where to go if you're having a
problem, you know. And I know -- I don't think you guys really
got any power. I mean, it's nice to have a commission in place,
but it's kind of like a paper tiger.
And I agree with the young lady here. John knows -- I
dealt with John quite a bit. We feel like there's not a vehicle
in this community to really address the issue of discrimination,
whether it be on a state, federal or national level, and ~hat's
one of the problems that we have as a people. Many people will
say, "Well, what's the use? You know, they're not going to do
anything. Da, Da, da, you know." And that's the way a lot of
people feel.
But I would like to know -- and I've sat here since
nine o'clock. I don't really -- I know your duties per se, but I
think I would like for somebody to explain the role of the Human
Rights Commission to the audience. '
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. JudY,Keyes.
MS. JUDY KEYES: I'd like to say good afternoon and thank
the Commission for publicizing this event, first of all, and not
having it secretive. I could certainly come back and appear at
each session. Being'from Bakersfield, being what I consider a
grass roots ,activist, but first and foremost a wife of thirty-
seven years, a mother, an extremely proud grandmother. I
submitted the card to appear on the first session so that I can
hurry up and beat Kay and talk about a perception.
Mrs. Pandol indicated she has a Ph.D. Someone else in
here probably has a Masters, and the Rabbi Rosenstein could
certainly quote from her religious beliefs, and I've heard Dr.
George Lartigue. I only want to say and to encourage each one of
us, it is our perception, but it is more so our right to have
that perception. I asked the young man, Mr. Williams, to
identify who ,is he? Where is he from? He yields and wields a
lot of power. As a mother, I'm frightened to death. Had I
raised him, I would have taken him in the back room and really
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swatted. Today I want to stand up and I want to applaud him, but
I'm also a little intimidated.
I'm afraid, because had he been raised with the father
that raised our children, you wouldn't have had a voice. You
wouldn't have had an opinion, because sir, had you been in our
home, it would not have been in my room, in my back yard, not in
my community. But you have a valid point. Apparently we have to
respect and give pleasure and honor to God and your family. I
I' know you have a mother and a grandmother and extended family that 'I
1 loves you somewhere. It seems to me your community let you down,
and I applaud you for having the courage to stand here, bitter
and angry, but I yield and recognize your right to be. All I can
say is, we as taxpayers, as voters, raise your children, protect
them when they're young, so that when they come to a forum like
here, like this, you can come and you can say, "It wasn't in my
home. It wasn't in my yard." My children qualify for schools,
for education, for job training assistance, but they can vote.
And young men and women, it is our vote --
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you, Judy.
MS. JUDY KEYES: -- that is going to count. I will see you
a little later.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Tony Martinez?
MR. TONY MARTINEZ: I wasn't planning on doing this when I
came here, but I kind of got into it. I'm here for the youth of
the southeast community, both the Hispanic and the African-
American children. A little history about me -- I'm a retired
police officer from southern California. I am presently a
community service specialist. I ama civilian with the
Bakersfield Police Department and their C.O.P.S. program --
Community Oriented Police and Problem Solving unit. And I work
out of the new police satellite office at Martin Luther King
Center. In 1980, after retiring from the Police Department in
southern California where I also was discriminated -- I was known
as their "token taco," so I know what discrimination is, and
there is a lot of it. There is a lot of it.
I come for your help and the help of the people here
and asking -- because in this job, I beg, because there isn't any
money for the children. I would like to see industry, businesses
here in Bakersfield, agencies get together. Summer's coming up.
These children come in to the center every day, and we have
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activities for ,them -- boxing, baseball, football. We just
started a soccer program for them. But they're asking, "What can
I do to get a job," you know, and "What can I do to get a couple
of dollars so I can go to the movies," you know. Some of these
kids ,haven't even ever been to the movies. And I sit there
thinking, "What can I do for these children?" And I go out and
beg.
When I first came to Bakersfield, I've always loved
children. I started the first Club Soccer program, the
Bakersfield Roughnecks -- the one team the Club Soccer program
has expanded and really grown. I was one of the originators of
the Southwest Little League program out at Cal state -- it's
really prospering. In the community down there, I would like to
see a soccer league for the children, a baseball league for the
children. , But more important, I'd like to see summer jobs for
these small, children so they can have a couple of dollars in
their pocket and they can go to the mall. They can go to the
market and buy something so they won't have to be out there
stealing. And I ask for your assistance, for your help. Thank
you.
MR. KÀYMADDEN: Thank you. Mary Helen Barro.
MS. MARY HELEN BARRO: I'm up here as a panelist, but I
submitted a card because I wanted to make a couple of comments.
When I owned,KAFY Radio, I know that on a regular basis the
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with misdemeanor convictions. I think those things are specific
and they might help a lot. Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you, Mary. Kenneth Johnson?
MR. KENNETH JOHNSON: Yeah. First of all, I'd like to go
into the discussion of unemployment, okay? What's being produced
from this unemployment? What conditions does it cause?
Everybody should know -- the Ward 1. That's probably one of the
highest crime-rated part of the town that it is.
If you got a people that's coming up here, it's all
right to be a you and come up and play basketball and baseball,
or to get a little summer job. But what are you going to have
for them when the get old enough to get a real job and you ain't
even providing the jobs for them? You're providing the jobs --
those factories that you build in the penitentiaries, setting
them up there like kings who's making fifty thousand dollars a
year off of them. You could be building a factory or something.
Ain't no grocery store, ain't no gas -- it's like the brother --
ain't nothing over there. Why is it like that? It's like that
for a reason.
It's ain't just no coincidence. You mean to tell me
that's a coincidence? Is we going to recognize reality? Why is
it like that? Why do black males make up 72.3% when we only six
percent? Oh, it's economics, and everybody that sit up here and
know about it is a willing part of it if you ain't speaking out
against it. All right. That's all I've got to say.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Martha Brown?
MS. MARTHA BROWN: Morning. I'd like to first say this is
an outstanding forum. It's an excellent idea, and I'm enjoying
the exchange. I want to speak. I'm especially concerned about
the youth. I work for Bakersfield City Schools, and I'm at an
elementary school, and I do want to state that racism is alive
and well, and it does not especially have to do with color.
Anyone who is a little bit different is on the outside. I see
the handicapped children, other minorities -- other than blacks.
I also see the poor whites, people that don't dress up to par
that are also already excluded at such a young level.
I'm the mother of eight. I've adopted seven children.
Two of them are handicapped, and also they're on the outside,
even though one is employable. My daughter -- one natural
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daughter that I have -- she was our Bakersfield Junior Miss, and
she went onto college. I prepared her for the world, racism,
and everything to deal with whatever she comes up against. And
she went to college, and everything seemed to be going well, and
we're so thankful for those things. But even with her
accomplishments, when she reached her junior year and should have
been given an internship, she was still given a five-dollar-an-
hour job, even though she was qualified. She had a 3.7 GPA, she
was a cheerleader, involved in community activities, and all of
those things.
And so we continued to search out, and I told her to
beat all odds, to continue to strive. And she did that. So
there we found in the financial aid office, under this stack of
different kinds of jobs and so forth, under the very bottom there
was application for the internships for minorities. There were
forty-eight companies in there. Not one job was taken because no
one knew of the opportunity, and it was well suppressed even
though she was qualified. And these are the things I think that
we really need to address, to give qualified people their
opportunity. Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Sherman Tyler.
. MR. SHERMAN TYLER: Good morning. My name is Sherman.
Tyler. I've'been here before on many occasions. We were here at
this time four years ago and the State Superior Court conducted
-this hearing up here. We didn't have a panel exchanging-back and
forth, and I assure you that everything I've heard so far, .I got
it right here in print from that same hearing. -
I resented that- first panel we had because they took up
too much of your time doing the talking, telling you about them.
They didn't have no problem. Yo~ got the problem. I really
didn't appreciate it at all. I think you come out here to have
something to say and you-were denied because they were taking up
all your time, and I certainly wanted to go at_a few of them, and
I kno~ they didn't want to hear me because when I get up here and
tell you something, I got it in print at my house.
First time I came here and got involved with ~nything
in this room was with the Board of Education. The staff was
here, and Ms. Carson was here. I'm sure she'll back it up, if
she wants to. And at that time, that particular night they were
going to qualify or select a new book, and in this book they were
going to teach black history -- in one page only. I came-in this
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door with the help of several people, and some of them are here
now with some carts. And with me in those carts I had twenty
thousand pages of black history, and the Board of Education here
had one.
Now, I want to tell you something else real quick
before I go sit down and get myself upset. This job situation
that you talk about -- this is the biggest racket I can find in
all of my research, and if you come and visit me, I'll show you
research like you have never seen anywhere. I have it. I get
all of these notices about all of these jobs from the City and
this County and the School Board, and every Tom, Dick and Harry
in town. Let me tell you what they do.
They put down there -- this is the one that gets me,
and I get at least twelve to twenty a week -- they put down
there, "We want you to have a Master's Degree and six years of
experience." Anybody with a Master's Degree with six years of
experience looking for a job? This is some kind of a joke.
You've got to be stupid to even write that, let alone, you know,
put it in the mail and send it to me. A person with a Master's
Degree and six years of experience is not looking for no job. So
to add to that, they got all of these requirements on there that
you have to fill. I have been tempted to get an attorney --
MR. KAY MADDEN: Sir?
MR. SHERMAN TYLER: Yeah?
MR. KAY MADDEN: Your time is up. Thank you.
MR. SHERMAN TYLER: My three minutes is up already?
MR. KAY MADDEN: Gone.
MR. SHERMAN TYLER: Okay. But there's a lot more.
HR. KAY MADDEN: I'm probably the only person that can get
away with that with Sherman. Delbert Murray?
MR. DELBERT MURRAY: My name is Delbert Murray. The short
time that I have here will be telling you about me. I'm
eighty-three years old. I have experienced depressions. I have
experienced real segregation. You don't have real segregation
now. You have de facto segregation. I have experienced all
these things, and I feel it's my job to rise above those things.
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I have been told when I was a young man that I was
overqualified for a job. Can you imagine anybody being
overqualified for any job? If I was somebody hiring somebody,
I'd want somebody who was overqualified because they'd do a good
job there. But I haven't given up. For forty years I have
taught school down in the L.A. area. Prior to that, I was a
recreation director for ten years in the L.A. area. When I
applied for the job as a recreation director, you had to have a
degree in recreation.
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MR. DELBERT MURRAY: -- college and I passed the
examination to go into -- they gave me the job there, and I
stayed in that job as recreation director until I found out they
needed an industrial arts teacher. I went there to the schools
in the L.A. area. They had me on probation, to a certain extent,
for two years. I didn't have nobody to teach me. They said,
"Here's yo~r job." And I went in there and I did that job.
What I'm trying to say is it's up to you and I'm going
to make a few quotes that I have shown my students over the
forty-some years. I still go up to Tehachapi sometimes and
substitute teach. I have substitute taught at the prison up
there, too. That's an experience, believe me.
But I have told my students, "Don't ever be satisfied
with a job. Always climb higher." And the only way you can do
that is have an education. That's the only thing that's going to
help you, is-an education. Then nobody can tell you that you're
overqualified without you knowing it's a matter of
discrimination. Thank you. I could say a whole lot more, but
that'll come later.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Isaac Crompton. Isaiah
Crompton?
MR. ISAIAH CROMPTON: Hello. My name is Isaiah Crompton.
I wear a few hats in the community, but I'm just here today as a
concerned citizen of the southeast. And we do have a rèal big
problem in the southeast. We don't have a satellite Employment
T~aining Resource program like most of the other outlying
communities have. And it's easy to say bad things about the
people in that community, but there's no opportunities there in
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the Lakeview area. I think there should be an employment
training satellite building there for the people to be able to
get jobs, and some type of training there.
What I'd like to see more of today is more solutions I
hear. And the dialogue is good, but I'd like to hear people. I
know there's a lot of people in this audience with some very
intelligent solutions to the problems that we have, and we have a
lot.of problems. And if these solutions are heard today and
recorded, these people will have to act on these solutions. They
just can't be swept up under the rug. So if get stuck in the why
-- you know, why is this? You know, why is this happening? Why?
If we just continue to get stuck in that, we'll never get to the
solut~on t9 som~ of these problems that we have in our community.
Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Jimmy Falconer?
MR. JIMMY FALCONER: Hello. My name is Jim Falconer. And
it's amazing -- problem/solution, that's. w1').at. I.wrote on my card..
You know, the problem we got in this community is unemployment,
you know. The solution we got is called group economics, you
know. Most of the people of color, people in general -- and
black people especially -- we would like to be self-sufficient..
We would like to be self-supporting, you know. If we could -~ I
don't know how the money goes about being divided here in
Bakersfield, but I know I go to this market over here on Baker
street, Rainbow Market. It's Hispanic-owned, Hispanic clientele,
and Hispanic workers. If we as a black community or people in.
the southeast area, if we get our money, right -- we employ black
people, right? And we make a clientele of going to these black
establishments, we can support ourselves, and we won't have to be
going outside to looking for other people to give us a hand. I
don't think we need a hand out. We just need a hand up, you
know. And that's all I have. Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Wesley Crawford?
MR. WESLEY ,CRAWFORD: I want to deal with a particular
issue that Ms. Kelly, Mr. Ortiz, or some of the individuals, and
even Peter Lomely, we've discussed on numerous times in reference
to ex-felons in this community. I want to say -- and even Kay
Madden, we've discussed this issue on numerous occasions. With ,
the laws the way they're situated, the way they're set up and
designed right now, they're designed under these moral turpitude
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laws. So if you've been arrested for drugs of any kind, you get
excluded from the process.
People thought that I ran against Irma Carson. I want
to clear that up now. I never ran against Irma Carson. I ran in
the race for one reason and one reason only, and that was to show
this community that ex-felons could come out of prisons, could
turn their lives around and become productive citizens in this
community. What happens is the system excludes us from the
process. I'm going to come out of school in two years with a
social psychology degree, and I'm going to be faced with the same
problems that I was faced when I ran for office -- moral
turpitude laws. I can't get in the school system. I can't
counsel. I can open up my own business, but what is the
realistically of me going to a bank and presenting a problem to
open up that business? So it's going to be a problem for that.
Now, let's talk about the statistics. Kern County
sends 79.3% of African-Americans from eighteen to thirty-five to
institutions in California. If you add the Latinos to that, we
make up 91% of the people going to institutions from Kern County.
We send more minorities here than we do anywhere else. The
question becomes what do we do about that? That's the question
that I'q like to hear this panel address, because it's an
addressable item. Not all of them are murderers. Those
individuals are going to have to come back in this community
again, and if they come back, there has to be an avenue for that
person to make it through the dilemma. Had it not been for Irma
Carson, who hired me -- and you see me, I work hard for her
because as I came out of the institution, that was the only one
that would hire me in Kern County.
So I want to say to you that I think that employment
has to be strong. You individuals have to work towards those
areas, especially among the minorities in this community. I
talked to Mr. ortiz -- I know I have -- and I know we talked
about that there is no discrimination on ex-felons. I think
somewhere in here we're going to have to change the law, and
that's what I'm trying to do right now by going up and down the
state of California. Thank you very much.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Marvin Dean.
MR. MARVIN DEAN: Guess I ought to take my hat off, huh?
Well, when I initially came, I didn't plan to speak, but a couple
of things I wanted to say. I wanted to first of all commend the
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Chairwoman. I don't know if she's chairing this meeting. I got
here late. I was at another meeting. But our First Ward City
Councilwoman, Ms. Carson, and her committee, for addressing this
issue because I think the fact that we're addressing the issue
will put light on the subject and maybe some good will come of
it.
I'd like to mention just a few things of interest.
One, I'd like to perhaps think that the committee should, if you
haven't already addressed it, we ought to take an issue and
perhaps make a statement on the appeal of the affirmative action
which is a Proposition before the state of California -- I know
you all know that -- which is going to have an immediate effect
on employment and contracting of state jobs, which primarily
benefit women and minorities, in order to make sure that we have
an opportunity to have employment in state contracts and those
large companies that are in excess of a hundred employees are
supposed to have affirmative action programs in place. And in
the contracting community, those of us that are contractors or
service providers that are looking to do public works projects
will have an effect on this if this goes into place. That means
that we don't have the opportunity to emp¡oy our people if .we
don't have contracts ourselves. We're not asking for a handout.
We're just asking for our fair share.
The other thing I'd just like to indicate is the
problem with discrimination -- I know we all know that there's
problems. Solitaire's been out there long before most of us were
born. But I like to think that the problems -- it has gotten
better. . I remember when I was born in this community some forty-
three years ago, blacks didn't have access in the government
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MR. JESSE BOYOR: How are you supposed to address yourself
to a group like this? Can I ask the question to somebody?
MR. KAY MADDEN: We'll have to have you speak, because
we're stopping them so that they don't take up all of your time.
So why don't you go ahead and make your points, and ask them
their question, and they'll answer it.
MR. JESSE BOYOR: Okay. Well, you know, it's difficult for
me to get started and sometimes during the process I get a little
bit off of track. And I've been out of circulation for a while
because of some illness, so if any of you haven't seen me around
it's not because I don't want to be in the community any more or
involved. It's because I haven't been able to. So I really
appreciate these types of groups that are trying to do something
in the community, and I really feel sad because the problems that
we're having is mostly because we didn't have anything to do with
it to begin with. We were born into our nationalities or our
countries or wherever it was that we were born into, and here we
are with all these problems.
And the other problem is that there's a lot of theories
on how to solve the problems, and then when you bring these
theories down to the community and the community gives you the
solutions to the problems, you ignore the community because your
agendas change once you get into these positions. And I can
understand why, but I'm telling you right now, if you don't allow
some of your agenda to be what it was to begin with when you
first got into these positions, then you're going to have a lot
of these meetings, and they're not going to be beneficial at all.
And we're just coming here -- I've been in this room
here several times with some of my colleagues here, some of the
people that I know around here, and we, coming in here, we've had
to sleep in these hallways here to get changes, and the police
have come over and taken us out and put some of us in jail. To
try to make these changes, and why do we have to go through these
type of situations when we all have common sense knowledge on
what our problems are?
I just wanted to bring up one incident when I was a
Vice-President in the P.T.A. at Fremont. We were having problems
with the kids, and so I was fortunate to be Vice-President of the
P.T.A. at that time. And so what we did was we got parents to
monitor the streets, and they did a wonderful job, because all
these kids were doing is they were just --
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MR. KAY MADDEN: Okay.
MR. JESSE BOYOR: -- going after each other.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Okay. Time -- I'll have to stop you.
MR. JESSE BOYOR: Okay. You see, this is one of the things
that's going on --
MR. KAY MADDEN: I know, but we have a lot of --
MR. JESSE BOYaR: -- is that when we're trying to give you
information, there's not enough time. But I thank you very much.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Ralph Anthony.
MR. RALPH ANTHONY: Great day of dialogue. I want to thank
the committee for bringing this together and the leadership of'
Councilperson Irma Carson. As one of the persons that sat on
this committee to bring this together, I thought maybe I'd just
ask a couple of questions I think are germane to coming to
possible solutions.
There is an uncounted number of people that are other
than the homeless, but are part of the homeless ranks, and that's
the number that's unemployed and are no longer counted as people
to be represented. That comes to. be those that are unemployed
and six months' completion of drawing their unemployment'
compensation. What happens to those individuals? Those persons
that are incarcerated presently, they are not counted in the
unemployment statistics, and I don't know whether there are
statistics available other than the Census Bureau that may
categorize those persons, and I'm wondering if any of you have
any answers as to that number, percentage, and ethnic brèakdown
of those that are no longer accounted in the system.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Peter Parra?
MR. PETER PARRA: Good morning. I think there's been a
couple of questions that have been directed to me, so I'll take
the opportunity and address a couple of those issues. First of
all, I.do want to say in regards to Charles West's comments about
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thirty-five hundred-youth every summer for the last twenty-five
years, and about a thousand of those have been African-American
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youth and about a thousand have been Latino youth. Last year the
community did respond as the federal government was attempting to
terminate the program, eliminate the program -- the communities
have responded throughout this country, and we were able to stop
the elimination of that program.
This year, as you know, with Congress dealing with the
budget, there is a high probability that we will not have the
program, although recently, within the last couple of days, there
has been some indication by working through various interest
groups and the community responding, that there might be a slight
chance that we'll be able to do that. So I think from a request
on behalf of the community, I would ask that you consider being
involved in the community and letting your legislators know the
importance of this summer program that basically has been serving
the southeast part of town for many years.
The unemployment rate of our community -- we're talking
about forty thousand individuals that are unemployed at any point
in time. That does not take into consideration the ten thousand
individuals that we call discouraged workers that are no longer
in that labor force, and yes, traditionally there has been.an
overrepresentation of minorities in that ten thousand group.
They're no longer counted. They're the forgotten people of the
statistics.
In regards to offenders, 20% of the individuals -- and
Ruby can collaborate that -- 20% of the people that we serve are
offenders in the program. We serve a tremendous number of
individuals there. We're in the job training arena. We don't
create jobs. We react to the market. We need more jobs in our
community. If we have those jobs, we can put more people to work
from all parts of our community. We do have a center at Vida
Scott, cottonwood and East Belle Terrace where we provide
services to the southeast area. There we have the Conservation
Corps, we have job programs for youth, we have programs for
adults and also for others within the community.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you, Pete. Michael Walker?
MR. MICHAEL WALKER: Good afternoon. Almost end of the
work day. I would like to comment on the rest of the brothers.
I really didn't have anything to say. I didn't want to say
anything until we got to talking about labor. My name is Michael
Walker, and I'm with the local Plumbers and Steamfitters, Local
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460, and I'd like to ask some questions and answer some
questions.
First of all, about the young men that want jobs and
they say they can't get jobs, I would like for them to. know that
there is plenty work for you. There's plenty work for all
minorities in state prisons. That's where the work is going. I
don't know if the audience knows that A.T. and T., Levi strauss,
American Express -- all those people are moving to prison labor,
even right here in California. I don't know if the people know
that there's five or six prisons on the drawing board. Labor --
and let me tell you about these prisons. The reason they haven't
started building them is because they waiting on you to do away
with the prevailing wage and some other stuff so you people. could
build your own prisons ~o' be in.
This is what America's coming to, and it's our own
fault. We're talking about -- another young man got up here
saying that they're doing away with summer jobs and so and so and
so. Who voted these people? We vote our enemies in office.'
Excúse me. - We vote people that do not have our agenda and the
best of feelings for us at heart. We must register. I've .been
out registering people, and people say, "It don't concern me.
There ain't no need in me getting involved.in that," and so on
and so on and so. Register and vote -- now, I'm going to move on
to Kern County.
I think one of you represents the County- Iknowyou
work the County, and I don't know about the City. Labor -- this
is what we'r~ tálking about -- labor. My wife works for the
County. The biggest problem -- and I got a question I want to
ask. How could a person go to work for the County and not take a
test? How is there jobs available for County when they're ~ot
being posted? We need to get rid of -- what they call it,
'népotism? 'br hiring relatives, or what all this kind of stuff --
lovers? I'm going to sit down. I talk too much.
I would just like to ask the Board, you people that
represent labor -- follow up.. Go out to Kern Medical Center.
See what's going on. Go out to these various agencies and see
what's going on. People's get hired without even taking a test.
People getting laid off and run off for no reason at all, just
because they want to get someone else on. That's all I got to
say. Foilow upon the people that you put in charge. That's all
that we ask. Thank you.
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MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Okay. We're going to have to
get panel comments right now, because we're running out of time.
MS. IRMA CARSON: Give them their fifteen minutes.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Pardon. I'm told to give them three
minutes. Okay. We'll start with John first -- three minutes.
MR. JOHN STINSON: Okay. There's quite a bit of things
here. One thing that stuck in my mind -- the comment by Mary
Helen Barro about notifying people. I think that's one of the
most important things that we need to do. At the City of
Bakersfield, we do advertise in EI Mexicalo, the Bakersfield News
Observer and the Californian. I know we have done some radio. I
don't know that we send them to every radio station, and that's
something I'm going to look into. I think that's a very good
idea.
I also believe we do distribute all those job notices
to all of our City employees as a matter of course, because
typically they're interested in promotional opportunities as
well, or if they know -- a lot of times they know other people
out in the community. That will bring them in, and I believe
they post those at the Community Centers, but I will double check
that because I think that's a very good, important point. Our
job is to try to attract as broad a scope of individuals as we
can and have the best selection of individuals that we can to
pick the best person for the job, so that's definitely in our
intent.
I think another area that was brought up with regard to
criminal violations -- that is something we ask. Obviously for
the City where we have public safety personnel -- police officers
and so forth, that's a specific concern that we have. We do have
people with misdemeanors who work for the City of Bakersfield.
They have again been able to demonstrate that they've overcome
the difficulty that they've gone through. I would grant that it
is difficult for individuals who've had a criminal record to
succeed, and one of the best ways to do that is to prove that you
have overcome that by gaining an education, by getting other
employment if you can. And I know that's the chicken and egg
problem of how do you get a job and get a good, clean record if
you can't get'a job because you have a criminal record. And that
-- I'm not sure I have a good answer for that.
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And that also applies to, I think, some of the youth,
the comments that were made to the youth. I know we typically
hire a lot of young people in --
MR. KAY MADDEN: I'm going to have to -- your three minutes
are up. We'll move on to Pete Lomely. Thank you.
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total out of about a minimum of sixteen thousand applications.
So you're trying to select six hundred people from sixteen
thousand. That brings me to a point that Mr. Murray mentioned
earlier. Get your education. Once you have that education, tell
your children, tell your nephews, tell your nieces -- get that
education, because once you have it, that's one thing no one can
take away from you. \
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MR. KAY MADDEN: Three minutes.
MR. PETE PARRA: Sorry.
MS. RUBY KELLY: In listening to some of the concerns that
were raised, I noted two major ones that our
agency. The issue of a satellite center in the Lakeview area,
and employment opportunities and also the issue of offenders.
Somebody raised the concern of maybe developing a program dealing
specifically with felons and offenders.
At Employers Training Resource, as Mr. Parra indicated,
we serve about 20% offenders. At last look, the placement rate
for that group was about 50%, which is a fairly decent
percentage. That percentage probably could be higher. The best
advertisement for hiring an offender is the person themselves.
So we have employers who have experienced that and say to us,
"Send us more." We also have exactly the opposite.
As far as satellite opportunities are concerned, we do
have the Vida Scott center, and that center has been funded
totally through incentive dollars, and operating our programs
here in Kern County for successful meeting performance standards,
we earn incentive dollars. All of those incentive dollars have
been directed toward the southeast center, the Vida Scott Center.
Basically, those are the areas where we feel that although
probably more could be done, that we are putting forth the
effort.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you.
MS. PATRICIA NORRIS: As the rest of the panel has said,
three minutes is really not enough time to address all the issues
that were here today, and I have notes on everyone that spoke.
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I'm here today as a. Commissioner. As I listened to everyone
talk, I said, "You know, I wear so many hats in what I do that I
could talk to you on every issue. I could tell you my own
personal war stories with being discriminated against." And
being college educated, I feel I'm well qualified to do a lot of
things, but I've still been discriminated against.
Also, having been raised here and left here, and I used
to come back and visit families, my family used to pull me out of
many places because I'd get indignant when I felt like I was
being discriminated against. I've been pulled out of
restaurants, out of airports, because I couldn't take it. But
when I came back here to live as a business and I had my own
business -- I was a realtor -- I had to realize that one of
things I had to do if I was going to make a business here and
have people trust me and get business from everyone is to change
my attitude in how I dealt with the discrimination. So what I
had to do was say, "Okay, I can play that game, all right?" I
knew everything there was to know about the real estate market
here, and still had barriers.
However, I overcame a lot-of those barriers by knowing
my stuff, okay? And I'd be on the telephone -- I can talk on the
telephone, and you wouldn't know who I was. I'd hear a lot of
comments from people about where they didn't want to live and who
they didn't want to live with. And I'd say, "Oh"well, just come
on in. When we sit down, we can talk about where you want to
live." It was wonderful. But it changed me a lot because when
they saw me, of course, their mouths would drop. But I still got
the business because I explained to them, "We don't have to live
next to each other. I just want to sell you a house." And we do .'
that.
I now work at the Housing Authority and I can-address
those issues about some -- we have hired people who have been
convicted of felons. I have fought for a person that we --
that's just one agency, okay? We are working in the southeast
area for economic development right now. As we speak, we're
making plans in the next two years of some of the things -~ to
bring in a store to that area 'and other things.
But I'm here today as a Commissioner for the Human
. Relations Commission, and what I want to say to those people who
are in those coalitions, who are asking us what we can do -- take
us to task today here. Those of you who have some viable
solutions, make us committed to you by saying, "This is what we
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need in our community," and make us help you. A lot of us here
have -- know of resources that can be of assistance to you. Take
us to task to do that. Thank you for.this forum.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Reverend Lartigue.
REV. GEORGE LARTIGUE: Throw a preacher three minutes, and
that's an insult. But I appreciate this time and being on this
panel. The thing I'd like to respond to is the fact that we
should all take a personal responsibility. Discrimination and
racism grew out of economics. It's going to take economics to
solve it. Education is the key. I have been discriminated
against. I have walked in doors where I knew I wasn't wanted,
but because of my qualifications and my being qualifiable, I was
not turned down. And my attitude was not one of going in to
insurrect a place or to take over, or to become combative,
assaultive. I approached the situation in a very humanistic way,
and I manipulated the system to get into it.
And you cannot fight a battle on the outside. You have
to get inside. You got to get into the system, and no one is
going to allow you in if the attitude is not right. We have to
work on our personal attitude, and that's going to bring about
the changes. I saw when I was working in civil rights, we worked
on the word qualification, and we saw and we won the case stating
that this was used to keep us out of employment. And we talked
about qualifiable individuals, persons who if you gave them the
opportunity could do the job. six years of experience -- where
are you going to get that from? See, that is being used to keep
minorities out of some of the jobs -- not in every instance, but
I've seen it happen. I walk into a place and act like I wasn't
qualified. When I say, "Yeah, I got it right here," you should
have seen the change in that person's expression.
So we cannot legislate feelings, but we can definitely
work on changing attitudes. We have to coalesce. We have to
come together as a group, which is what we are doing today, and
this is beautiful. And we are admitting that there are problems
here in Bakersfield. We've gone too long with saying, nOh,
there's no problem here." We've been in denial too long. Now
we're at the point of saying, yes -- there is an admissability.
We have a problem and make us accountable, and we need to work
together. And then as far as affirmative action goes, we need
it. Let's fight for it. Let's keep it. It has done a partial
job, and now they want to do away with it. They want to
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dismantle affirmative action. That is insanity. We need it, and
we're going to keep it. Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank_you, George.
MR. JOHN ORTIZ: Just a few comments -- I guess I had one
up on the other panel members. I got up there and now I'm back
here. But the situation is that there is discrimination in
Bakersfield, and that's not news to anybody here. And the
Department of Fair Employment and Housing is an enforcement
agency, and I know that some people may file complaints, but it's
a question of us attempting to prove a violation. I'm saying
that because in the past I think discrimination was more overt.
I think now it's become more covert, and it's more difficult and
more difficult ~o prove because people are no longer saying,-
"Hey, I don't want any blacks, I don't want any wetbacks,"
whatever. They no longer say that. They find ways to get around
the issue, and I'm telling you that we are' getting more
sophisticated as well as the employers, and the community is
getting more sophisticated. And we need to understand that it is
a question of proof.
Because we are an enforcement agency, we take a look at
those issues and one of them, as Mr. Crawford indicated, is it's
okay to ask for convictions in an application, and they can deny
you a job. My concern with that is ,what do we do when we accept
that? Do, we relegate these people tò a life of crime? You know,
do we, because we can't get them a job? I-think we need to take
a real serious look at this and be able to rehabilitate the
people. I think that the prisons have not become what they were
intended to be, rehabilitation centers, you know. Now they're
beéoming a place to keep people, and again, I believe that
sometimes you're not a criminal -- when you go there, you may be
a criminal when you get out. Again, that's a personal view.
Going on a little bit further, is enforcement the
answer? I don't think enforcement is the answer. We're an
enforcement agency. It-hasn't been proven in the prisons when
you put people in jail. I think education is the answer, and I
think it takes the community working together in education to
make this a reality because people need to understand their
rights and responsibilities under the law, and they need to be
able to have an opportunity to get a job without discrimination.
I Now, should someone file a complaint, . should someone
I not file a complaint? I believe that's an individual's choice.
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I believe people come to me and I believe they got a great
complaint, but the trauma -- you need to understand what trauma
goes through to actually say, "Hey, I've been discriminated
against." Some people think it's easy, but it's not. And some
people that don't have a provable complaint will file a
complaint. And so I don't know what the answer is, but I believe
that if you don't file the complaint, what option do you have?
If you don't go up and speak to the people, whether it's a
meeting or whether it's somebody about a job, you have already
denied yourself.
You need to be able to go forward and prove to those
people that in are in those positions, as myself, to come in.
Let us -- give us an opportunity. Let's go through the process
and see if something can be done. But we can do it only by
working together as a total community. Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. You know, we think that three
minutes is not very long, but you know, when you try to go
through a lot of people, which we have done today, it becomes
really a big task to do. But now, everyone has had their
opportunity to talk, and that's what you're really after. The
panel that we have right now -- yes, they could spend all day up
here just like the other three that you have after lunch could
do. The only thing is the committee who organized this has gone
through a lot of trouble getting all these people here for you so
that they can hear your comments. And just think of the number
of people that you would have touched today thanks to the work of
Irma Carson getting all those people here to hear you. And there
is a lot of them. The last list I had there was two pages. And
so what you're saying, a lot of people is going to hear it. And
true, it's only in three minute bites, a powerful three minutes.
And you have to remember that. Ms. Carson?
MS. IRMA CARSON: Thank you, Kay. This has been a very
exciting morning, and all of you have just been great. And it's
obvious there is a lot of pain and suffering, and we always know,
and you often hear me say the struggle seems to begin and never
to end. But we're going to try it. We're going to try some
resolutions to some of these serious, painful situations that are
in our community, and the people who have come out today is
because they care. They didn't have to show up. They didn't
have to respond to the committee's request, but they're here.
And they're here to listen to you, and hopefully -- and that's
why we knew we couldn't do it in one day.
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some solutions. We started today to strictly hear testimony and
allow you to address the policymakers in the city of Bakersfield
about your concern. They set the tone. They set the tone for
the city of Bakersfield. So come back this afternoon. Let's
have a good lunch and come back. It's going to be exciting.
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ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
MARY HELEN BARRO: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. My
name is Mary Helen Barro, and I'm president of the Kern County
Human Relations Commission. The Kern County Human Relations
Commission is a co-sponsor together with the City of Bakersfield on
this Day of Dialogue on Race Relations, and the wonderful co-chair
that I have in Irma Carson and her colleagues on the City Council,
Kevin McDermott, Councilman McDermott is here, and everyone
responsible for this in the City and the County, welcome you here
and thank you for participating. I know that many people that were
here haven't had a chance to get back from our lunch break. It was
really short. But we have a lot of territory to cover so we're
going to go ahead.
Acting as our moderator again this afternoon, the
gentleman who is headed over toward the side of the stage -- you
need a little more time, Kay? Okay -- is Kay Madden, who did an
excellent job this morning. He'll continue this afternoon as our
moderator and timekeeper. And with that, Kay, I'll turn the
program over to you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Now since I have a little
experience at this -- okay, I'll introduce the panel to you. We
have Mr. Freeman, on the end, Mr. Greenlee is next to him,
Mr. Clayton, Dr. Ortega, Ms. Harper, Mr. Gonzalez -- and I
understand that you're on this one also?
MS. MARY HELEN BARRO: No.
MR. KAY MADDEN: No, okay.
MS. MARY HELEN BARRO: Not this one.
MR. KAY MADDEN: And that's our panel.
!1S. MARY HELEN BARRO: Uh-huh. Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: One of the things that we will do starting
out is we will offer the opportunity of our panel to speak, and
they will have one minute, and that's only if they choose to do so.
If there's anything about economic development or your job that you
want to say before we get started, now's the time to do it.
Mr. Freeman?
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MS. IRMA CARSON: The panelists will respond after the
testimony.
MR. KAY MADDEN: That's .correct. The panel will respond
after the testimony. Remember that we are being recorded, and when
the speakers come up to the mike, they will have -- they will be
limi ted to three minutes. And the restrooms are in the back.
Mr. Freeman?
MR. BRUCE FREEMAN: Thank you. I think I'll reserve most of
my comments to respond to your concerns after you speak.
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University. I teach Business Administration -- small business.
I'm also president of the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, and we are
very active in promoting the development of small business. And
I'm also a member of the Board of Directors of Valliwide Bank,
which again is a supercommunity bank focused on development of
small business.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you.
MS. EARNESTINE HARPER: I am Earnestine Harper, and I'm
president of A. Phillip Randolph Community Development Corporation.
We're presently remodeling a center. We also are inviting you to
come over. We're working to develop jobs, to generate jobs, to
help anybody -- no one is turned down. I also work with the
Justice for Rollins Coalition, freedom and justice for all. And we
are working to help anyone who's innocent to prove, to work with
them in showing the community their innocence. Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you.
MR. GEORGE GONZALEZ: My name is George Gonzalez. I'm the
Community Development Coordinator for the City of Bakersfield. I
have the same funding sources that Guy Greenlee with the County of
Kern has to improve the community developments in the lower income
neighborhoods. We also do economic development, so I'd be happy to
hear some of the comments that the audience would have.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. We will begin with Richard --
I'm sorry. Rick Miltoor.
MR. RICK MII,TOOR: Good afternoon. I have a question, and
that question is that in my tour throughout Kern County I have ran
across an organization that's called the National Association --
let's see -- it's N.A.A.W.P., which stands for the National
Association I think for white people. And there are memorandums of
understanding and letters of participation that's running around
Kern County that these individuals have agreed that in their
employment practices that through whatever means necessary, even if
it goes as far to find some justifiable reason to dismiss an
African-American and to hire their own. How does that affect the
job placement and the economics as it relates to the African-
American in Kern County?
I'm not sure if the Board is aware of that. Some people
may be aware of it, but not willing to disclose that information.
But the African-American community is economically being destroyed
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because of the funding, the dollars that come through Kern County
and what's being distributed over to the African-American
community. Because you know that if you control the dollars, you
can pretty much control the community, and I need to find out
exactly your input on this organization because it is affecting the
African-American community from an economic standpoint.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Kenneth Johnson.
MR. KENNETH JOHNSON: Yes, my name is Kenneth Johnson. I'm
from the O.G. Peace ëoalition, and -- you know, economic
development, right?
MR. KAY MADDEN: Right.
MR. KENNETH JOHNSON: Okay. One of the things I wånted to
know about the economic development is why is there so much
development going on in the southwest, but then you look over in
Ward 1 and you see no economic development. Why when you look in
the Ward 1 you see nothing but total disrepair, and I want to know
-- this really -- why is it? Is it -- is it -- it seem like
there's some type of red-lining going on because Castle and Cooke
is a free contractor' to go and build. Well, why aren' t you
building anything over there, when that's the most -- that's the
main place that needs to be built instead of building out and
letting this -- why is you letting this decay and building out when
you seeing a problem over here that needs to be addressed, but then
you don't look at it. You ignore it and allow it to keep going the I
way that it is going. .That's about it for that. !
MR. KAY MADDEN: Okay. Thank you. Delbert Murray?
MR. DELBERT MURRAY: This is about economics, right? Not
about education.
MR. KAY MADDEN: That's correct.
MR. DELBERT MURRAY: That's what I wanted really to get
straightened out about the education. I haven't been a teacher for
a long time.
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everybody was poor, where -- but we didn't really know we were
poor. So I have had many different kinds of jobs there, but I
never lost my dignity. I never asked anybody for anything. I have
worked for as little as twenty-five cents an hour. I've worked for
a dollar a day. And when I had a job as a -- out the ditch with
the W. P . A., I got out of that job and became a recreation director.
And my big check for the whole month amounted to seventy-eight
dollars there. I was well-paid at that.
Just like I will say later on, I never let one job be
satisfactory to me. I always wanted to do it. The reason I'm
using me as an example there because I think having gone through
all of these things, you would see me as having accomplished the
things other than words. That's all I have to say right now.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Devon Johnson?
MR. DEVON JOHNSON: Okay. The subject this time is economic
development, which I said before should have been tied in with
employment at the same time. We know that there is a serious
problem with economic development in the ward that I come from,
which is Ward 1. There's several- vacant lots, several liquor
stores, several churches. But what do we really have for the
community as far as economic development?
You got to understand, I know a lot of your answers to
why you haven't begun to build in the area is because of the crime,
and I know we have a high crime rate, but if you put those same
people to work who
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look. So we going to bring economic development to our
neighborhood and to our community. It's got to start, just like
everything else, at home. We have to do it. It's hasn't worked
before with outsiders coming in with their other purposes, because
they're really coming to get their money. If there's no money for
them, .they wouldn't be there. It's time for us to do it on a
family basis, starting at home, and deciding what we need, what
need our community have, look at the situation and build on it.
start it. stop talking about it. The money's there.
People have the money. It can be put back into the community and
used for positive things, and economic development is right there
waiting to be worked. You got all these people out here with no
jobs but with a dough sack. Now, imag ine you put them to work
rebuilding their community.
Okay, this group of crips or this group of Bloods -- this
is going to be ya'll laundromat. You guys are going to build this
laundromat. We're going to bring in the contractors that are going
to teach you how to build it from the ground up. And then we're
! going to bring in the management consultants to come in and show
you how. to manage it.
That's where the education's going to have to come in,
which is going to be the next subject, because the education that's
going on in these schools is not working for us because like I say,
the proof is in the pudding. It's out there in the neighborhoods.
So that's what I want to say about economic development. It's not
going to work until we start deciding to do it for ourselves, not.
for some other outside organization that sees a million-dollar
profit coming out of it.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Okay. Thank you.
MR. DEVON JOHNSON: Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Okay. David Williams.
MR. DAVID WILLIAMS: I would like t6 talk on the economic
level. I have went to a destruction that happened down south, and
from what I seen there, I seen a lot of black young men working
together that we need right there in that community, with them same
sheepherders, right -- that was over us at that time directing us
in a right path. There "s one of them sitting here today. Why
can't they have
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You will stop a lot of this. But you know this, but you still not
trying to do this. These are the things that we stress and talk
about. Our older black men, they knowing this money's available,
true enough, but they say, "Well, ya'll ain't ready." You ain't
been in the 'hoods lately. They're ready. This is the things that
I'm talking about. It's easy to say with words what would happen
or what should happen.
But reality is the one that reflects. Castle and Cooke
-- ya'll got yours. Let some of our black contractors get theirs.
You see what I'm saying? This is not a race balance thing, because
you made it this way, not us. We just talking about it the way it
is. These ain't something that we just sitting around here talking
about. We ready to build our own thing. We ready for people to
see our works, our development, our creativity. Let them sheepherd
us. We don' t want to all different other type of people
sheepherding us constantly. We done had this. What has it got us?
Look at our community. It's ain't one.
The urban renewal, I'll bring up again, that pushed us
out. A. lot of people don't understand. We don't have no
community. The association coalitions and the -- they trying. I
really -- I know they is. They up under more pressure than we is,
right? I understand that. But until we connect as a people and
build our own community -- well, we tired of asking for help. This
is what the young are saying. We don't want what you gave them.
We want what we want, and that's to help ourselves and get that
knowledge of self. You see what I'm saying? So we can have our
own -- we ain't got ask you for nothing. You can dwell all in this
by yourself and let it decay, because we ain't tripping. We trying
to trip on what's right.
And there's a lot of black men here that know how to
build. Can they had a chance so we can had a chance? You know
what I'm saying? Because it ain't, "Well, we ain't stopping them."
Why come you not? I hear it from they mouth all the time. I just
listen. I ain't going to react. I just listen, because I let a
lot of people condemn theyself in the things that they say. You
hear what I'm saying? So it ain't for me, right, to just go out
and badger everybody and scream and holler as they say I do.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Okay. Thank you.
MR. DAVID WILLIAMS: Okay.
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MR. KAY MADDEN: Gilbert Lee Lopez. Mr. Lope z. Mr. Lopez?
yes. Yes. Lopez -- excuse me, are you Mr. Lopez?
MS. IRMA CARSON: He may not can hear.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Are you Mr. Lopez?
MR. DAVID DOOLITTLE: Can ,you hear me?
MR. KAY MADDEN: First of all, what's your name?
MR. DAVID DOOLITTLE: My name is David Doolittle.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Okay, David-Doolittle. We'll let you talk
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MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Sharon Benson. Let me -- let me
-- I think that the remarks that are being made to Castle and
Cooke, I think that you're intending it for the whole panel and
that's what we're taking it as. Sharon Benson?
MS. SHARON BENSON: The gentleman that spoke before pretty
much said what I wanted to say, so I'll go off on a whole different
track. In terms of long-term development for Bakersfield, I know
they are looking at the arts quite a lot. I notice in Bakersfield
because I'm from L.A. that there's a big void here in terms of the
arts. And I think a lot of people could be put to work in the arts
if it was funded more, and that's all I need to say.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Mary Helen Barro?
MS. MARY HELEN BARRO: Thank you very much. I for one am
delighted to see Mr. Freeman here. Mr. Freeman, they may not want
you in the southwest, but we want you in the east and in the
southeast. You are very welcome here, sir, and thank you for
coming. We have a --
MR. BRUCE FREEMAN: By the way, we do have projects with
large investment going in the --
MR. KAY MADDEN: Excuse me.
MR. BRUCE FREEMAN: -- southeast right now.
MR. KAY MADDEN: I can't let you comment right now until
we've had all the speakers.
MS. MARY HELEN BARRa: But you know what? We have a very
large list of minority contractors in Kern County, and maybe we
could start up some kind of entrepreneurships or journeyman
training programs or more involvement. Maybe you can respond to
that. You may be already doing it and we don't even know it. But
to build things -- you know, they sure need a shopping center in
the southeast.
Also I have a question of the County and the City,
because I'm not quite sure where the line of jurisdiction goes.
But my understanding is that the current enterprise area that has
been established in the southeast is not a full-blown free
enterprise zone, which is much easier for builders to come in to
with a lot less red tape. I would like to urge the City and the
County to look at changing the current enterprise area into a full-
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that same subject. Darn it, don't know what I'm going to be when
I grown up, but all of a sudden I'm about as grown as I'm going to
get. ~
To address economic development, when is the last time
that we developed a business plan, went to someone and asked them,
heck, what is that? What is a business plan? If we don't know
what it is, can we go to our public elected officials, like Irma
Carson, who's there, extremely well-educated and qualified? Ann
Everly's been in the trenches as the young man said, thirty years
-- I think probably forty years. I watched Rudy Kelly grow up and
certainly has done a fantastic job with Pete Parra, who I knew a
long time ago before Pete was ever E.T.R. There was the C.E.T.A.
program.
I found ten jobs last week, and I have to admit I wasn't
qualified for either of the ten because I flunked my typing test.
And I didn't take the test because I knew I was going to flunk it.
I couldn't type twenty-five words a minute, but I have a vocational
education teaching credential that says I can. I have taught and
developed classes at Bakersfield Community College, but can I
develop a business plan? No.
Made sure my four children identified their goals and
their business plans. Although one may be working on her Ph.D.
degree, she does her have her masters. But I take pride in coming
here today saying I have to be able to take responsibility for my
own actions and the choices I made thirty-seven years ago, and that
was to be a mother and a grandmother.
Now, I need to come back to my community to apply for a
job. Kay Madden can't give me that job because I don't meet the
criteria described in the job that I went out and found. And Ruby
Kelly couldn't refer me to the Veda Scott Center, although I own
property in there and I qualify to come into that area because I am
a displaced homemaker by choice. I don't choose to be displaced,
but I choose to stand here before you, totally qualified to wear
many, many hats. The one I want to wear the most is I want to go
earn a living. I'm tired of babysitting Cindy Pollard's children
so that she can get well and go out and continue to make a
contribution to this society.
I urge you on this panel to look around you. If I
represent that young man out there and I feel his pain, I'd like to
challenge all of you or appeal to you to accept his challenge. Do
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MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. \-
MS. SANDRA BENSON: But to my fellow blacks, I encourage all
of you. Let's send white folks home and let's get in the kitchen
and let's talk about it.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Okay. Thank you.
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into it. We're trying to bring users in. I spent an awful lot of
my time on it. And we're trying.
We are working with the City trying to bring a number of
new companies into that park. This year we're able to bring a new
farm machinery company in, which will mean jobs. We had an auto
parts dealer. I'm not sure if we have that yet. We develop the
parks and then other' people build the buildings for their own
business. I think the additional things that we can do above and
beyond that, and that people should ask us to do, and a lot of the
people in the community don't ask us to do, is to offer our time
and our advice. I've spoken at a number of things, but I'll tell
you, I have a lot more time on my hands to come help people.
If people want to know how to do a business plan, why
don't we work through Irma Carson and someone call me up and I'll
sit down on a Saturday and teach you how to do it. If you want to
know what kind of skills it takes to succeed in my company, why
don't you come and ask? I will give my time. I've always given my
time to these things and what I think we have to do is create these
channels so you know that we really are happy to help. You should
ask more of us, and we should devote more of our time. But what we
mainly need to give you is skills and a way to do it so you can--
like many people said, so you can do it for yourself. Once you
have the skills and ideas on how to run those businesses that you
want for yourself, believe me, the money will come. It is not hard
to find money once you have an idea and the skills to implement it.
We need to help the young entrepreneurs learn how to do
the businesses. The funding is out there, so I'd say you should
ask more of the business leaders in this town to spend more time
with you, because we're there. We're seldom asked, quite honestly,
to sit down with young people. I have spoken in schools. I could
do a lot more speaking in the schools, and talk to classes and
young people and let them ask me. But mostly, we need to give you
skills. We don't need to give you money, because you'll have your
own businesses once you have those skills.
The last thing is the -- you know, this group that's out
there that the gentleman spoke of -- if we have any sort of a group
out there that is promoting racism and discrimination, somebody--
well, I mean, it's against the law for one thing. It ought to be
reported, but anything we do that separates us instead of makes us
more color-blind is wrong. I mean, I think that's something to be
reported to the proper investigative bodies if that's happening.
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MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you, Mr. Freeman. Mr. Greenlee.
MR. GUY GREENLEE: I just have a couple of comments. First
of all, our office and the City's office, like ours, is in charge
of making sure that federal funds from three different programs are
spent appropriately in the jurisdictions that we work in. Ours is
the County as a whole, and nine cities. Theirs is the city of
Bakersfield.
With those funds from the federal government come laws as
to how contractors must act, who they must try to hire when they
get a contract from us. Those include minority businesses. They
also include now local residents on a law we refer to as Section 3.
It requires us to look for people, low and moderate income people,
from the neighborhood that the project's being built in. So those
laws already in place are trying, or at least they're set up to
help cure some of the problems that you've identified of minority-
owned businesses or minorities themselves not being able to get
employment.
Also I'd like to say with regard to information available
at our office regarding what's happening with our program dollars
in the southeast Bakersfield -- or anywhere else, for that matter
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MR. MORGAN CLAYTON: I'll just go ahead and try to deal with
probably some of the solutions and just throw them out there.
Right now, there are currently in the southeast Bakersfield area --
it's about 51,873 people in population. If you look at the Metro
area, looking at about 110,788 people. And when you look at that
mass' as you look at the unemployment rate -- excuse me -- the
unemployment rate is higher in the southeast than typically it is
I- in other areas. And I think that some of the key things that
1 probably would be important, which has to do with the more
solution-based issues, have to do with the question, I guess that
was arisen earlier, is "where is the money going?"
One of the things to keep in mind as to where the money
is going is keep in mind that there were programs put in place to
do such things, as for example -- this is where the money is going.
-- graffiti removal, tree-planting projects, neighborhood clean-up
days, good neighbor festivals, housing rehabilitation, first-time
home buyers down payment assistance, community block grants, which
are some of the things you're involved' in for curbs, gutters,
street improvements, sewer and water lines, street lights, and
things of this nature. The question I think you have to address
for those who live in the community, is you have to pull yourselves I
back together and ask is this where you want the money to go? The I
money's there. It's millions of dollars, but is it in fact serving
the purpose in which it was intended? 1
You have to. pull together to ask yourselves that I
question. That's where the money's going.' For' the most part, I
think the key is you have in place your Citizens Advisory Council
which feeds directly into the Housing and Urban League -- excuse
me, housing development issues. That's your pipeline,that gets the
answers that you want done with regards to the dollars that you're -
talking about. I know that there are several groups like Future
Bakersfield, K.E.D~C., and others primarily responsible for making
sure that a lot of these issues -- you know, I really kind of am
speaking for Castle and ,Cooke. You know, we do stuff for them, but
I think they try to be a good partner. I mean, sure, being as big
as they are, you always have to -- the person at the front always
get hit. They're the point person. But I think that when you look
at some of the things with the southeast redevelopment areas there
ar'e things that can be done and should be, but I think that the key
thing you need to look at and what.becomes the key to save on time
is this. What are the primary benefits that you have to offer the
southeast area as a product coming back to private business,
because we are not regulated in private business by what we do. We
can do what we choose to do within the law. .
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And that is what you have available in the southeast area
is that you have available labor, you have affordable land, you
have an excellent transportation network which basically accesses
all the markets. We have a pro-business government incentive. I
say that right now, but with some of the stuff that goes on, I
don' t know, but for the most part, we're trying. You have job
training services, even though they may not be readily accessible
in the areas. They should probably be considered to move into the
area. And you also need to look at your adult education center and
public transit program.
Well, what does that all mean? What that means is this,
is that a lot of people like you sitting out there, the world is
changing. The way we do business is not the way it used to be done
through labor. Technology is riding right alongside, and it's
putting pressure on you and putting pressure, quite frankly, on all
of us that are sitting at this table in the way we do business. So
we have to come together to figure out how we can reeducate the
work force, catch up the work force and deal with this educational
training issue which becomes this issue of how do we create
accountability, responsibility, and marketability of what you do in
the community?
And the way that's going to be done is a plan of work
that would be obviously probably headed by Irma Carson, and you
working in collaboration with these people to talk about how the
dollars are managed so we can basically redistribute that maybe in
a much more productive way. And one of the things I always try to
tell myself is this. We as a community have to start telling
business we want them, and it has to be us, in the community -- not
necessarily our government officials. We have got to go, quite
honestly, song, dance, and do some relationships --
MR. KAY MADDEN: Okay. Thank you --
MR. MORGAN CLAYTON: -- with some of these people.
MR. KAY MADDEN: -- Mr. Clayton.
MR. MORGAN CLAYTON: Thank you. I got a little --
MR. KAY MADDEN: Dr. Ortega.
DR. TONY ORTEGA: Higher education. This is the teacher in
me speaking, but the more education that a person has, the higher
the income that that person will earn. Consistently, that's the
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outcome. So what I'm hearing here is the need for skills. AndI
tell my students one additional thing, and that is that the system
works for those that know how to work the system. Okay? The
system works for those that. know how to work the system. And
again,. that's another form of skills,
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But all I want to know is that -- we have so much trouble
with the little pennies they handed out to A. Phillip Randolph that
we've decided it wasn't worth it. But if it comes the time that I
want to use it, I'm going to use it, and somebody's going to give
me some money because I'm a taxpayer. That's my money, too. And
the next thing -- and I'm not angry. I'm emphatic. Not at all,
I'm just emphatic. So when it comes to us building, do what you
can for yourself and when the time comes that they -- if they turn
you down, then there are avenues in which you can say no, sir.
You been using the money all these many years. Millions
of dollars have come in here from the federal government, but it
never seems to trickle down to us, for some strange reason. It's
always in somebody else's hand, and then when you ask for a little
something, they put -- you have to jump through hoops and back
again. If they give you one dollar -- well, what you doing here?
They're monitoring you. They're standing over your shoulder --
MR. KAY MADDEN: We have to --
MS. EARNESTINE HARPER: -- over your back and --
MR. KAY MADDEN: -- cut you off.
MS. EARNESTINE HARPER: -- ready to kick you in the nose if
you even --
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you, Ms. Harper.
MS. EARNESTINE HARPER: -- spit the wrong way. All right.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Okay. Mr. Gonzalez?
MR. GEORGE GONZALEZ: Thank you very much. I'd like to
continue where Mr. Greenlee left off. The federal government has
entrusted the City of Bakersfield and the County of Kern with funds
to improve the community. But they also have given us the
requirement to use the restrictions that they've given us, or the
safeguards --
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MR. GEORGE GONZALEZ: -- work with agencies that have had a
good track record of producing, making housing, providing jobs.
We've been very supportive by the City Council in providing monies
to do that. We're actively looking for manufacturers to come into
the Bakersfield area who will be providing jobs to the low and
moderate income individuals.
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1 MR. KAY MADDEN: I'm going to have to cut you off.
MS. DENISE PANDOL: I'm sorry.
MR. KAY MADDEN: You just ran out.
MS. DENISE PANDOL: That's quite all right. Thank you.
DR. JIM FILLBRANDT: I'm Jim Fillbrandt. I am the
Associate Superintendent for the Kern High School District. My
specialty is personnel. I've taught at South High School, at
Fòothill High ,School. I was an Assistant Principal at South High
School in the late '60's and early '70's. I was the Principal of
Bakersfield High School from 1977 to 1980. Happy to be here, if
I can help in any way.
DR. JORGE DEL TaRO: I'm Dr. Jorge Del Toro. I'm a
physician here locally, and I was to be on your economic panel
and I ended up on your education panel. I'm again very excited
to. be here to share my discussions -- or actually, my experiences
through life. In thinking about racism or differences in
ethnicity, it reminds me if I have to think of people that ,are
racist, it makes me think of Governor Wallace, ,and if I have to
think of someone.who has a difference in opinion or culturally
racist, I'd have to think of our celebrity on the radio -- not
Buchanan, but actually --
( UNKNOWN ): Rush Limbaugh.
DR. JORGE DEL TaRO: Rush Limbaugh. And in thinking of' ,
ethnic racism, I have to think of Hitler. -And if I have to think
of someone modern, in modern times that would encompass all
three, I'd have to think of Pat Buchanan, so actually here today,
hopefully I'll be able to share some experiences with you that'll
be meaningful and that we can all take home. Thank you.
DR. MICHAEL RAMOS: My name is Mike Ramos~', I'm the
Assistant Superintendent of Education Services for Bakersfield
City School District. I just started this job. I left Kern High -
School District after eighteen really great years. But Bakers-
field City School District has 26,000 students -- the largest
union school district in the state of California. Of that, 75%
of our students are students of color. We have a great respon-
sibility in the Bakersfield City School District to ensure that
we have good models for these students, that they get to see a
variety of peoples as their teachers and as their leaders. We
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feel that it is important that we have curriculum that will
address their needs, that we have people who can teach them that
are reflective of this state. We feel that by educating these
children, especially in reading and writing, we can provide an
educated populace which will provide a strong economic base for
our community. We have to work together, and we have to guide
our children.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you.
MR. MILTON ANDREWS: I'm Milton Andrews. I'm Chair of the
Education Committee on the Human Relations Commission for Kern
County, and one of my goals is to get out and visit our schools,
especially our high schools and if possible, our junior high
schools, and observe the atmosphere of standing on the campuses,
to get acquainted with the principals and the counselors, and to
be sure that they know that we have a statement available to them
from our Human Relations Commission of Kern County and also a
statement on hate crimes and what the law says in Kern County and
in the state of California about these crimes and these atti-
tudes. I'm certainly impressed with the intentions that we find
here today, but you know, the clash of ideas is really the .sound
of freedom. Where else in the world could a group express
themselves as honestly and viscerally as we have been doing here
today. The clash of ideas is the sound of freedom.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you.
MR. MILTON ANDREWS: Am I out of time?
MR. KAY MADDEN: You're out of time.
MR. MILTON ANDREWS: I'll save the rest for later.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you.
MR. ARMANDO VASQUEZ: Good afternoon. My name is Armando
Vasquez. I am here representing the office of Kelly Blanton and
the Kern County Superintendent of Schools. And I also want to
commend each and everyone of you, our clients, our families, our
advocates for children, for coming today and giving us the
impetus, the input, the crying out, if you will. Hold us
accountable.. We want to respond to your needs. We want a true
partnership.
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MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you, Armando. Okay, we're starting
with the first speaker. Remember the speakers, as you approach
the -- are you signalling to me? Oh, I'm sorry. I thought that
was Irma sitting next to me.
DR. WILHEMINA ANTHONY: I'm Wilhemina Anthony, and I'm
Director of the Student Service Center at Bakersfield College,
the Martin Luther King Junior Center that serves predominantly
African-American students, to assist them in services to be
successful at Bakersfield College.
MS. MARY HELEN BARRO: Kay, before we proceed, I would very
much like to recognize and welcome Dr. Tomas Arceniega, President
of Cal State Bakersfield who is also with us, and we hope that
you will also be able to come to the microphone during these
comments, Dr. Arceniega, because Cal State is such a critical
part of- our educational sy~tem here in Kern County. Thank you.
MR. . KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Irma, you were sitting in that
chair last time, weren't you? Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. That clears
me. Okay~ The first speaker is Annie Langdeau.
MS. ANNIE LANGDEAU:. Hi. My name is Annie Langdeau, but
that's okay. I represent the Bakersfield Education Center for
Native Indians, and I've been out there for about eight years
now, and I've contacted Kern District High School to let me come
in and talk to the kids about higher education, because that's
, what our goal is -- to get our American Indian kids to go on to
I . higher education. And I don't want you guys to forget that there
is other races besides black, because blacks mix in with other
races. And our American Indians live in your communities, and I
don't want you guys to forget that. We're invisible, like I
said, but we are there, and we will work with you. So don't
forget that.
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You know, there's not just two races in this town.
There are more races. So you know, don't be shutting other races
out. Don't let them say, "Well, you're not black, you're not
Hispanic. You cannot be in our program." And Bakersfield
College, they can't get a day up there for American Indians
because we don't have a holiday. We're not fortunate enough to
have one. So we can't do anything at Bakersfield College, you
know, and that's unfair. So, you know, when you guys are doing
your programs and anything else, please include us. That's all
we ask. I'll be out there, and reminding you that we are here.
So just include us. And you guys don't forget it either, because
we're helping you, too.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Devon Johnson.
MR. DEVON JOHNSON: Okay. The subject this time is
education. Now, we know that for some time that the -- thank you
-- that black people in this country have been miseducated from
the start. And right here in Kern County we know that our
schools rank among the worst-educated schools in California.
Ms. Carson know this; she was on the school board. Is this
truth? See. And we giving our children the worst education, how
in the world are they going to be ready for emploYment and this
economic development, all these thing we're talking about?
You see, United States government education system
never wants to tell the truth about the history of this country
and the principles it was founded on. And see, if you're telling
half-truths, we as a people will never be able to heal and grow.
It's like if you break a bone and don't set it to mend right, you
going to always walk with a limp. Now, when you look at our
history, the school district don't tell how the united States
when it was founàing this great nation behind the colors of this
flag, how they deceived the Indians, gave them smallpox in their
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be an apple tree. So when this country was being founded under
all this evil and wickedness, that's what we have here today, the
last superpower left. And this is a wicked country. They --
like she's a international -~ you study international --
MS. DENISE PANDOL: Relations.
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MR. WADE TAVORN: Good afternoon. Well, panel, I'll cut to
the chase. I wrote mine, so I'll read it right quick and then
I'll be gone.
Race issues in Kern County and the nation are similar
to a California earthquake. You know it's out there, but you
don't deal with the issues until it happens. But unlike earth-
quakes, which have first aid drills and first aid kits, racism is
only discussed when we have an issue that the media states as
earth-shattering -- an 8 earthquake, the O.J. Simpson trial, the
Los Angeles riots. But anyone who has been in an earthquake will
tell you, if you haven't prepared for this catastrophe, you are
in big trouble. So why haven't we prepared ourselves to deal
with race relations in our community?
Before I answer this question, let's discuss what
racism really is. It's a lack of knowledge about another indivi-
dual's cultural background, lifestyle, etcetera. Where did it
come from? Racism comes from fear, which comes from stupidity,
which is due to a lack of knowledge. So if we know where it
comes from, what can we do to eliminate it? We must begin by
dealing with the four fundamentals that cause major problems in
all societies. The first one is folly -- a lack of understand-
ing, sense of rational conduct, foolishness. The second one is
corruption -- bribery, or similar dishonest dealings. The third
one is mediocrity -- the quality or state of being neither very
good nor very bad, failing to meet -- inferior, sorry. And
number four is incompetence -- without adequate ability, know-
ledge, fitness, failing to meet requirements, incapable and
unskillful.
To the point: we need to guarantee that all of our
children are educated to a standard that this community needs to
survive. We need to approach each child like a coach approaches
each athlete. They try to make them into the best that they can
be -- champions. Mediocrity is not an option. For those of us
in power, we must get beyond the skin game, and those of us not
in power, we need to dismiss the politics of blame, and move on.
When this happens, we will begin to move toward a bigger and
better goal -- humanity.
We are all Americans, no matter how we try to disguise
our behavior. And for those of you who don't believe me, try
leaving this country. Soon as you get off the plane, boat or
train -- I don't care what you put on, Dashikis, or if you are a
redneck from Boston. When you get off that plane, they're going
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to look and you and they're going to go, "He's American." That's
what you are.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you.
MR. WADE TAVORN: You're welcome.
MR. KAY MADDEN: David Williams? David Williams.
MR. DAVID WILLIAMS: with education, it starts with the
tl:1inking, dealing with the thinking of a people that another
people done took and turned they thinking. And you got to
understand that we can't have your experience. We got to have
our own, and I encourage all the sisters here and all the
brothers here and even the white brothers and the Mexican
brothers, right -- to come on in this bandwagon and change the
thinking. A lot of you done got your positions, right? You mean
well. You do, until you find out what's really going on, that
would jeopardize you if you speak out or insert what's really
going on. But you need to. .
See, the Jesus did. It don't matter how you describe
Him -- all your Jesus, he did the same thing. It's just worded
different because the Bible been tampered with and it's put in
different, so you come out with the words, right? And' it cause
destruction bemong a people that really don't understand the
Bible. That's part of black people's problem, too, because they
don't understand it', of the thinking of certain people that
teaches 'theologian that wrote the Bible to poke -- with have part
in writing the Bible. See, this come -- all these elements come
down on us. We;"l, .you know; why you talking about -- you did it.
You had a part .:..n it. Any time that you take. a position, how is
you going to reflect in that position to a people that you know
is hindered, that they thinking can't go no past what you taught
them?
This is the things that I'm talking about, but let me
get to you. And this is ain't personal. This ain't personal.
I'm not mad. But leave our Brother Farracon alone, because he
resurrected minds. Talk about that. He resurrect me and these
three brothers that you hear, just by what? Ain't met the man,
but heard his voice. Okay. I'm trying to respond off what you
say. I'm trying to have this right. You see what I'm saying?
So any time that you stand up and say such things, he's
connecting what been disconnected. He's -- now, he's saying
Americans, because you got a problem? I don't have the problem.
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We can't keep sharing in your national problems. We can't keep
doing that. That's ya'all problem. Ya'all deal with that. But
it all got to do with a form of education. Through the annals of
history, we ain't never did nothing to nobody. We fought for you
and begged to fight. We ain't never did nothing to a people. We
was always humble people. We the one got afflicted. This is
education I'm giving you. I'm not mad at you because you white.
It ain't your color that frightens me or scared me -- oh, she
white, and they the government done done this, so I'd sooner take
it out on all white people.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Okay. Thank you, Mr. williams. Your --
MR. DAVID WILLIAMS: Okay.
MR. KAY MADDEN: -- time is up. Thank you. Wesley X.
Crawford. Wesley?
MR. WESLEY CRAWFORD: Afternoon. This is a subject that is
very dear to my heart, and for five and a half years, I have
pursued this subject along with Mrs. Carson. We started five
years ago dealing with education here in Kern County. The .first
place we started was Bakersfield City School District, and we
found that African-Americans were the largest in disciplinary
rate and the largest in suspension rate. Then we took it a step
higher. We looked in the Latino community, and we found that
they were right there, neck and neck. We found that between the
minorities in this community, including Native Americans, we were
the highest in disciplinary rate. So we took it one more step
higher.
I went to Kern High School District, and I pulled their
computer stats, which you see here. And I found out the same
thing existed there that existed in Bakersfield City School
District. I moved up a notch into Bakersfield College, where you
would think that by the time you reached that level, there would
be a different type of level. Well, what I found was the same
identical thing. We had black females graduating from Bakers-
field College, but we didn't have black males nor Latino males
graduating from Bakersfield College. Matter of fact, one year, I
think we had one African-American to walk across stage.
Then I started looking up at Cal State, where I'm at
now. And guess what you'll find? The same identical problem.
So if you have four different institutions who have problems, you
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question becomes is, what are you going to do about it? That's
the question. We know racism exists. My question to you
elaborate educators is what are we going to do about it? Thank
you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Kenneth Johnson.
MR. KENNETH JOHNSON: Good day. Okay. Going into
education. Okay. Everybody knows the problem with the
education. You look at the condition and the people. The black
males in the school just like the brother just said, but then why
is it a problem within the education? What is it that has to
deal with education that these kids don't even want to go to
school? It seems to me that they mind is beyond what you teach
them. They ain't going for that. They not going for it because
with the education that they get, -a lot of them when they get - to
the highest degrees can't even come back to they own community.
Why is that? And why do you have them on a miseducation? What
is it about this true education, this reality, that you don't
want nobody to know about?
Let's go into this education a little bit. I don't
hear nobody talking about the Persian Conquest of 600 B.C. when
they went up into Egypt and stole everything up out of the
literary depositories. In Europe at that time, people wasn't
even civilized. They had to go over there.to even get a
education. But we ain't taught these things. This is world
history, to even learn about ourselves, to have pride within
ourselves through your education. But now that we know these
things, coming on down, but then look at the track record. But
then you say, well, we -- let's don't look at the past. Let that
go. How we going to let that go? That's just like a road map.
If I hurt myself yesterday because I tripped over this coffee
table and today it's a new day, I'm going to watch out for that
coffee table.
But thèn it's up to you, educators, are you going to
educate us? But. now we got a guy that is the educator. See,
that that you stole from us, that he gave us, and you took it and
you divided it all up like it was separate -- no, it's not
separate. I~ all works together in accord, because everything
that comes from him is in accord with your body and obedience to
him, he gives you that knowledge. I ain't been to none of you
schools as far as getting degrees, but I got a God of knowledge,
and just like he raising he, he raising the people. But what you
going to do? But now you seeing this coming to the light, but
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when something is coming to light that you been trying to keep
suppressed for how -- for so long, what is that telling you?
That this wickedness is on its way out.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Rick Miltoor. Milteer -- is
that correct? Miltoor, right. Okay.
MR. RICK MILTOOR: I have a question to the school board.
My name is Rick Miltoor. I'm the owner of a program by the
name -- a company by the name of Fathers at Risk Family
Preservation and Support Services. Let me tell you a little bit
about myself. I'm an ex-Olympic track runner. I've been in
movies, made well over fifty thousand dollars, and I've taken all
that money, set aside and started this program because once I get
over the hill where I've been told where I am now, I wanted to
put some back in the community. I'm not from Bakersfield. I'm
not from California. Born and raised in Norfolk, Virginia, but
wherever my -- wherever God directed me to be will be my
community where I will serve.
I put in a petition to the Bakersfield School District
to be a mentor because I have accomplished a lot, where the
Bakersfield School District always says there isn't any African-
Americans in there to be mentors to our youth, okay? I'm here
standing in front of you to let you know that I've been to law
school. I know what's going on, okay? I know how to deal with
what's going on from a legal standpoint, okay? Just my sports
credentials itself should be able to do a lot for me, and they
have opened up a lot of doors for me. And I want to know why I
was shut out. Personally, I think it's because of -- it's the
color of my skin, okay? Because when you see me, you portray me
as being nothing, okay? But God has given me a lot, and I am
something, and I want to do something for the youth.
Regardless if you let me into the schools or not, I
will walk the streets day and night and make sure every black
child in Kern County get what they need, so that you won't have
to worry about kicking them out of school. Okay? Because you
know when you kick a young man or a young girl out of school, you
don't have to worry about them any more. And in closing, you
need to know that if a child is not institutionalized, they
cannot be counted. Think about it for a moment.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Annie Langdeau. Oh, you
already have -- okay, take it out then. Charles West.
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MR. CHARLES WEST: After all this, I'm almost scared to get
up here. Okay. I think Mr. Crawford indicated what are we going
to do about it, and I jotted that down, and I've been looking for
an opportunity to address the educational forum because I am in
education myself. But there is a wonderful opportunity that is
before all of us as educators, and especially those of you that
are in a position to make a difference on what the staff and
faculty look like in your schools. But it's under attack, and
that is Assembly Bill 1725, which specifically states is by the
year 2005, all staff and faculty, from K through 14, should
mirror the community in which it serves. Now, it let off the
four-year institutions. Now, that is under attack. In fact,
it's already been in court, been tested about seven, times, and
each time the case has survived.
Now, my role with that is with the California Community
College, and I've worked on the state level for three years in an
attempt to interpret that. But we talk about mentors, which was
mentioned by Mr. Ramos -- that's very important, mentors. People
need to see American, our Native Americans, stand up before a
classroom. They need to see that, as it is with'any other group,
be it male, female, whatever the situation may be.
But as I look around the community, I see very few
efforts being done in that particular area, and I think it has a
great deal of the impact on a lot of the underprepared students
that we see at Bakersfield College. And please believe me,
that's not sexist, and that's not only ethnicity. There's a lot
of them that are underprepared, so please take a look at that.
When I look around at the number of athletes, for an example
here, the greatest basketball players, the greatest football
players, and the whole bit, but where I look, I look beyond that.
I look for the coaches, and we need mentorships in those areas,
and I think if you look at your coaching staff, you will find
that it's not very diversified.
There's some of the questions that you may have is
this. Where do we find these people? I want them~ but I can't
find them. Well, I have a book that's got the addresses, the
name and addresses, of 104 predominantly African-American
colleges and universities and I'd be more than happy to give that
to any of you.' Thank you very much.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Ellis Carter.
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MR. ELLIS CARTER: Afternoon, panel. Afternoon, audience.
One point that I want to get into as far as education was,
because my second occupation is an advisor and consultant to
marching bands, I've had a chance to work in L.A. and also in
Kern County, and one thing I want to pinpoint is -- still dealing
with relations is dealing with kids starting at the junior high
level going into high school, I'm seeing a trend from my
experience working at, in particularly Bakersfield High School,
how we have kids in these music programs who are literally
dropping off that are really talented.
But when we get to high school, the funding is not
there to keep them interested in music programs, in dance, or
anything that develops around their culture, and I'm seeing
that's where the breakdown goes where those kids that weren't
targeted are one of the kids that fall into trouble or just
disconcern themselves with the education program altogether, and
I think that's a serious problem.
And I want to direct you towards the fine arts point,
the fine arts section in particular because that's where the
black community had really focused a lot of the attention as far
as the churches. It's always been around music, singing,
dancing. So once they get into the school and they find out that
they don't belong, they can never relate to education in general.
And so what I wanted to bring up was your attention for
the cost of school instruments in general, because we find that
these kids that are in junior high, really talented kids, they
get to high school, those instruments aren't there any more.
See, people don't understand how years back, a lot of the high
schools had all these instruments. Those instruments are gone.
It's non-existent, so I wanted to bring that to the panel's
attention that little things like that we need to remind
ourselves of -- we need to put money and our effort and time
into. And just -- my solutions, I was just thinking that one of
the things we need to do, we need to start marketing -- well,
getting businesses to understand that in our neighborhood and in
our communities, we need these things. We need this kind of
funding to exist.
And I also wanted to bring up a question that hopefully
can be answered later. I need to know where can we find annually
where the budgeting goes to as far as our fine arts, because I
think that's a lacking in the resource right now. I'd like to
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see where can we find out what's going on with our money. Thank
you.
MR.. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Ron Winterhawk Smith.
MR. RON SMITH: Hi. I'm Ron Smith. I use a white name and
an Indian name. The thing is is that I know -- this is toward
the school districts. I know you get a lot of federal funds for
our Indian kids. I'd like to know what happens to them~ And
also why isn't Indian culture taught more in the schools? The
only time the school districts want to know anything about
Indians, American Indians, is during Thanksgiving. And I could
care less about Thanksgiving, you know. That isn't right. And
then the only other time is about Custer's Last Stand. You know,
we massacred Custer. We didn't massacre anybody. That was our
ancestors that did that, and it was a war. And the white people
go out and kill a bunch of Indians, then it's a victory. ,You
know, it's not right. . .
You know, I wanted to see more education on the Native
American culture here. You have .over 12,000 Native Americans
here. I know that. You don't. You probably don't know that you
have over 35 different tribes here from allover the. United
States. So I would like to know what's going on with the funds
and also why don't you teach more Native American culture. I
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And I'm with Annie -- I've known -Annie for eight years, Ii
as long as she's been here, and I've been here since 1974. All
my kids went through this educa.tion system. I know I filled out
the paperwork for the federal funding for the school districts.
So I want to know what happens to that, what it's used for -- not II
just for Thanksgiving, but for other things. And we're avail- II
able. We teach dancing, drumming, our crafts, our arts -- every-
thing. Just get a hold of us. We "re here, and we're going to .
stay here. Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Camille Hill. Camille Hill?
Càmille, it says on the card.
MS. CAMILLE HILL: I am Camille Hill, and I want to thank
Irma Carson today for creating this platform for a forum where
people can have dialogue. As I stated to her the day after
Thanksgiving .on the steps of City Hall, that this was what was
needed. When people don't have to get angry and vent, and no one.
is hearing anyone, but we can talk like civil folks. Okay. ¡
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Education -- and I keep hearing that and I keep hearing
that, and it's wonderful and I am certainly a great advocate of
education. I myself am still in school, and I will always be in
school, because life is an ever-learning process. It's ever-
learning. It never stops.
The thing that we must understand, again, is the
miseducation. The miseducation, and as my son stated, I am
designing and developing a module whereby I will teach my
children and other children in the community that I see walking
around during the day when I know that they ought to be in class
somewhere, being taught the right way to become a productive
human being.
Now, when I was in C.S.U.s. -- that's California state
University Sacramento in 1979 in a political science class and I
turned in my term paper, it became separated from my folder.
Someone other than me was given the credit, and when I called up
and said, "Why do I have an incomplete?" He said, "Oh, well, you
didn't turn in a paper." I said, "Yes, I did." He said, "Well,
you have to prove." I had my draft. Keep your drafts. It's
important. It's very important. I had my draft, and I turned it
in, and my grade was dropped a half a point. He said, "I re-read
the paper again, and I found grammatical errors." If he had read
the paper in the first place, he would have found the very last
paragraph said, "I, as a black woman --" But he hadn',t read it.
He just assumed that a paper written that well could not belong
to this little girl, but it did. Know what it is, how you're
being educated. We have to have the proper education. Thank
you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Rachel Neil. Yes, that's your
name?
MS. RACHEL NEIL: I want to say that we all have a common
enemy, and that enemy is narrow-mindedness. We all really need
to open our minds and our hearts to everybody else's ethnicities.
Everybody else has a lesson to teach us. Life is about a series
of lessons, not only
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. I really think schools can make a difference. I think
multi-cultural education is a wonderful thing, and I think music
is a key because we all have music. It's an international
language, and we can all learn from each other's stories through
our music. I really think music is a key. I'm writing a unit
for Cal state Bakersfield for my master's. I'm writing a unit on
multi~culturalism, a peace unit, dealing with brotherhood and
truth, and trying to deal with -- what are the real elements of
peace? What are the real things that we need to do in our
community and in our world to try to make us all open-minded
people, try to make us accepting of each other's differenèes, and
happy about our differences, and look at what we have in common
-- that we're all humans, and we all are here together, and we're
challenged to work together, to learn together.
I'm a teacher at Mountain View Middle School, and for
me this --I'm a New York girl, so for me this Bakersfield was a
real culture shock. That's the wOrd. That's the word. This is
a real culture shock place forme. And I've had to deal with
some of these problems myself in whàt I've received because of my
speech patterns. Oh, New York City? And so we all have some-
thing to face and things to learn. - I think we should all revel
in our differences and learn from our differences, and I believe
that strongly.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Okay, I#ve been told that'we
really have to get moving, but we have two other people that we
haven't heard from yet, so we will hear those two and then we'll
move to our panel. Teri McClanahan.
MS. TERI McCLANAHAN: I left Bakersfield in 1979, and I
came back a couple of years ago. And initially when I got back,
I was going to go back and pick up my fifth year and go into
education, and I had one of the biggest shocks of my life. I
went into elementary, junior high and high school system here,
and decided that that is not what I wanted to do for a lot of
reasons, .soI'm getting my master's and I'm going to teach at the
college level. - There is something wrong. .
When I graduated from Fremont Elementary School, every
little black child in that school that graduated with me knew how
to read and write and do arithmetic. They did not talk back to
anybody. And they certainly didn't disrupt the classroom.. They
didn't run around calling each other the "N" word, okay? They
didn't do that. When. I went Golden State and graduated from
Golden State, everybody could read and write and do arithmetic.
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Got a little skinny -- you know, well, by the time we got to high
school, hormones kicked in, you know. You had the normal
dropout. But I mean there's just something wrong here, and we
need to address that. I subbed in the Greenfield School
District, and I had a sixth-grade --
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MS. TERI McCLANAHAN: -- in April of the school year, they
were in the process of moving these little girls to the 7th
grade. They could not do second-grade math. There is something
wrong with a system that will put a child in the 7th grade who
can't do addition and multiplication. There's something wrong
with that. And I think the schools need to get back to teaching,
and we need to put some stuff in place so that the families can
get back to being families and raising their kids, and the
teachers need to teach our kids. Really, seriously. That's all
I want to say.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. The last one on this topic
will be Wilma J. Jarrett.
MR. DELBERT MURRAY: This is the one I wanted to be on.
MR. KAY MADDEN: We just ran out of time. We're just
letting the ones that hasn't spoke yet.
MR. DELBERT MURRAY: All the others who did it, and I was
in here all day, and I think I have the right to be heard.
MR. KAY MADDEN: We're really running out of time because -
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MR. KAY MADDEN: Okay. Go, Wilma.
MS. WILMA JARRETT: I'm Wilma Jarrett, and I'm just an
interested citizen and I just have a few questions. The first
one is how can teachers learn to have higher expectations of
students? The second one, how can students and parent assume
more responsibility for their children's education? It's not
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school system? And the last one is how can we motivate our
children to learn when they seem so turned off to education?
MR. KAY MADDEN: Okay. I'm going to go ahead and I will let
him talk, and he will have his full three minutes and then we'll
get to the panel. Go ahead.
MR. DELBERT MURRAY: Thank you very much. I'm sorry I had
to be very emphatic about it. I'd like to let you know my name
is Delbert Murray. I'm a product of multi-ethnicity. My father
was born on an Indian reservation in Montana. My great-grand-
father was a Native American. He bought my great-grandmother out
of slavery for two hundred and fifty dollars. That's documented
in the Skyler Nebraska Sun. I'd like to say I taught for forty
years in the L.A. system there, and I know what some of our
problem is. I
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Our problem -- I'm talking directly to the gentlemen !
here who are teaching teachers. You are granting people licenses
to teach just because they have finished a course. That is not
what a teacher is about. We've got to be very precise with the
type of teachers that we're going to put in their classrooms.
That's why we're in the mess that we're in now, because we don't
have good teachers. It's better to have no teachers than poor
teachers there. That's one of the things I wanted to get across.
That's one of the main --there's a number of things that I
wanted to get across there, but I wanted to get the important
things. So less -- it doesn't make a bit of'sense, a teacher who
is going to teach third-graders to learn all about trigonometry
when t~eY're going to teach them arithmetic. We've got to have
teachers who are concerned about the students themselves. We're
going to have to have teachers who give the students. respect and
demand respect from the students.
'I have come in contact with teachers here in Bakers-
field who have said very negative things to students and lost the
students' respect. We must give respect to get respect. That is
very important that we do it. Another thing I hear -~ always
talking about getting ~he parents involved. What happened to the
Parent-Teachers Association? When I came to Bakersfield, I found
out there's no Parent-Teacher Association anywhere, but I keep
hearing we've gòt to get parents involved. What other way can we
get parents involved if we have an. association where the teachers
and the parents get together and discuss this -- problems that
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Another thing that amazed me -- I'm a retired -- for
forty years I taught industrial arts besides other subjects.
There's no industrial arts here. Why in the world can't we have
industrial arts where the students can learn building trades?
They can learn these things that we send -- these jobs that we
send to foreign countries to do for us. Everything can't --
everyone can't be a computer expert. We've got to have somebody
to work with their hands to build these things. Let's get that
back into the schools. Let's get decent teachers. Let's be
concerned about those things. And I want to put one thing
politically -- it's a political thing. I want to see all of us
respond to what our President is concerned about the media. The
media has just gone hog-wild over teaching our kids too much
sexism, violence, and all the bad things. Even the language is
terrible.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Okay.
MR. DELBERT MURRAY: Let's get on them.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Okay. Mr. Murray --
HR. DELBERT MURRAY: Get on them right now. Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Mr. Murray is eighty-three
years old, and we always listen to Mr. Murray. Okay, we'll start
-- three minutes to each panelist. We'll start with Dr. Anthony.
All right, I'll figure this out.
DR. WILHEMINA ANTHONY: I always hate to be first.
That's -- that's --
MR. KAY MADDEN: It's the last time.
DR. WILHEMINA ANTHONY: -- unfair.
MR. KAY MADDEN: I don't want to make that mistake again.
DR. WILHEMINA ANTHONY: There are really lots of things I'd
like to speak to. I don't think there's enough time to do it, so
I want to try to compress it, and so therefore I focus. Things
that I heard was about representation, miseducation, inadequate
curriculum, inadequate staffing, and don't blame, let's get
beyond. I want to focus on don't blame, let's get beyond,
because I think that if we do that then we would probably respond
to the rest of them. I believe that in order to get beyond and
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not to blame, we have to start with corrective measures, and we
start with corrective measures, I think, by taking the charge.
I think Mr. West mentioned that for community colleges
is AB 1725, which does mandate staffing that reflects the
community, and that must be done at all cost. Curriculum must be
changed. That's the only thing that will correct miseducation,
but I also want to add to that self-education, because any
peoples who are interested in knowing who they are and to move
forward based on their legacy that's been left them they must be
involved in educating themselves. They cannot wait for others to i
educate them. So while those of us who are in education work to
the degree that we can to try to change curriculum, then you must I
get involved in changing curriculum yourselves, your own personal I
curriculum.
Expectations is really a key area, especially for
educators. Teachers must believe in children. I believe in that
one hundred percent. You must believe that every child has the
capacity to learn anq therefore teach to that ,expectation.
Motivation -- I believe that to motivate children you
must teach to their lives, and I believe that you do that through
applied education. The subject matter that is being taught.
children must be applicable to the lives that they live daily.
Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. And she didn't want to be
first. How about that?
MR. ARMANDO VASQUEZ: It'll be a challenge to follow that.
I appreciate those words. Please, gentlemen, life is a
challenge. Kern County Superintendent of Schools' office invites
you, asks you to be a partnership in this challenge. Education
is the ability to bring out these special gifts. I've sat here
all day, and I've seen a lot of specially gifted individuals
present their-feelings and their attributes and their words.
That certainly motivated me as an educator. I ask you to
conti~1Ue. This is step one. The partnerships that you form
today is the future.
-The continued efforts by all of us to move ahead --
single-handedly, no -- together, certainly together -- to build I
the champions that one of the gentlemen referred to, the Boy I
Scout Master, my father, and I particularly paid attention.to
what the Boy Scout Master was saying. My father was a Boy Scout
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Master. The lessons you learn in life -- they come from you,
folks. The love that you pour out to your children when you send
them off to school, and warn them not to trust everyone. Warn
them not to believe everything. You build the foundation. Your
love is the greatest gift that you can give your child as an
educator. The first teacher they touch is you, and I encourage
you as an educator. In three minutes, I certainly cannot get
into any solutions, but to continue to come to our office to meet
with us and to give us more ideas, more input in this arena.
Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you.
MR. MILTON ANDREWS: I certainly want to second what has
just been said about parents as first teachers. I often thought
that we shouldn't say parents and teachers association, we should
say parents and other teachers association. And I'm convinced
that role models teach us more than anything else. Search your
hearts right now, you moms and dads and grandpas and uncles and
aunts. Remember the teachers that really touched your life, and
you tell me one single lesson that you remember? No. But you
remember that person. Just like I remember Emily Troutman,--
single teacher, stocky German gal who said to me, "Milton, I want
you to enter a speech contest." They had a speech contest. I
said, "I can't. I can't give a speech." She stopped right there
and stamped her foot and said, "Yes, you can. I'll help you."
She did help me. And not only that, but she gave me a subject to
work on. The subject was pioneering and human achievement. I've
spent my whole life working on that theme, and I owe it to Emily
Troutman.
I am a retired United Methodist minister, and I've
taught for eight years in our public schools, and I know the
value of role models -- parents first, teachers second, probably
to anyone else in our society.
Today is the 35th anniversary of the Peace Corps. It
started out with not too many young people, but if you heard
~.P.R. this morning -- National Public Radio, you heard the story
of Maureen Orris, who started that school down there in
Medeleine. They just invited her back. She could not believe
what has happened.
Maybe it would be good for all of us if we could go
back to a school we went to thirty-five years ago and see what's
happened. She started with just a handful of kids in a room.
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Now they have a hundred and twenty and five rooms -- five grades
and they're working on filling it up to high school and on
beyond. I'll tell you, you can't put a price value on that kind
of role modeling and investment in children.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you, Mr. Anderson. Now, you can I
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tell he's a good speaker because he ended exactly ,on three
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DR. MICHAEL RAMOS: Good afternoon. I was just thinking
about all of the expectations and the dreams that we have for our I
children. I think that probably if we could say in a perfect
world what would we want for our children and our schools, we
would want parents to be able to feed their children, to take
care 'of their medical needs, to support them in a loving manner,
and to prepare them to go to school. We would expect them to
work with them when the children got home.
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In the schools, we would expect schools to be well run I
where reading and writing all of the kinds of things students'
need to learn in order to succeed would be taught to them. And I
the teachers would be those teachers who cared about children, I
who are knowledgeable, were caring, had a little bit of I
psychology so that they would be able to understand the unique
nature of children. We would have administrators who would
support those teachers, and who would go out to the homes and
¡- also.be always receptive to children.
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We would have children who would not be out on the
streets during the school day. They would be at school. We
would have children who had high expectations, who cared about
learning, who saw -- could see what would be best for them in the
future.
I would hope that all of these things could happen. We
don't have a perfect world, and we don't have perfect children,
and we don't have perfect parents, and we don't have perfect
schools. But we must strive to try to create those kinds of
environments for our children in spite of all of these obstacles.
What I'd like to share is -- one of the things I think
I heard the gentleman talk about that -- this really comes close
to my heart -- he said that we have to teach people to be good
thinkers. People are good thinkers -- they know the difference
between a fact and an opinion, and they know the difference
between what is'fact and what ,is prejudice, and I think that's
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what we need to teach our children and we need to teach our
community so that we can work together and try to solve the kinds
of problems that we have.
Bakersfield City School District developed a Human
Relations Mission statement, and what it says is that all of the
members of the educational community shall be treated with
dignity, respect and fairness. We shall encourage and maintain
high expectations. We shall model an appreciation for social,
economic, cultural, ethnic, gender and religious diversity, and
I we shall contribute to an environment of mutual respect, caring
and cooperation. Okay. Bakersfield City says where the child
comes first -- this is where the child comes first. We are here
to educate children, and this is where we need to go.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you, Mike. Dr. Del Toro?
DR. JORGE DEL TORO: The amount of energy here today is
incredible, and it's truly an honor. I didn't know what I was
getting myself into, but it is truly an honor to sit on this
panel. I was to be on the economic panel. I'm a physician here
and a business owner, so I was to be on the economic panel,. but I
arrived late and I was asked if I would sit on the educational
panel. I almost wish I was on the economic panel, given the
amount of energy.
My wife is a teacher, and I hear from her many of the
things, many of the challenges that she faces on a day to day
basis with her children. She now teaches at one of the schools
that actually has the highest level of teachers, I guess if one
would say, winning presidential awards and such, but she did
teach at the Greenfield district at one time, and she would bring
home all the stories. As you know, that's an economically
depressed area in terms of children.
I think if I can do anything today, I can share with
you my story, and that is the story of being raised in a ghetto
of nine children with a father that came to work in the fields
and worked all his life in the fields. We worked all our life as
kids and we helped support each other.
If I had anything, I had support, because going through
the educational system, I was told that I was to work in the
trades. Every time I wanted to take geometry or trigonometry or
a higher level field, I was told by the counselor, "No, I think
you're going to get married, you're going to end up in the
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trades. You're going to end up being a mechanic or so." I
wanted to sign up for trigonometry. He says, "Why are you doing
that?"
If I have to say anything to any of you here with the
energy, because if I had to put a school together, I'd put the
school together with all those of you that spoke. You have
incredible energy and incredible number of thoughts and I think
we'd have a top-level school if we put you into a school here.
But if I have to say something, I would say this. No
one stopped me because I knew I was different. I had something
different, and I don't know if it came from my father, my family,
my surroundings, but we were raised in the ghetto -- all blacks
and all Hispanics and Mexicans in the area that I was raised, and
I wa~ told, "No, you're going to be in the trades." And since
there were no role models at that time -- I see role models here,
now, and my cohort -- but we weren't there at the time. But I
see the role models now. If I'd those role models, maybe I would
have thought different. I thought that I wasn't go to do any-
thing because to be intelligent, you had to be white.
That's what it seemed like to me, because I thought I
was a smart, but we weren't in a position of power or position of
giving a role model so therefore I must not have been very smart
because white people were geniuses. And this isn't getting down
on anybody, this is being honest.
The thing that turned the tide for me is I was drafted
in the service. We were given intelligence quotient examinations
and I excelled beyond everyone else, graduated in the 95 percen-
tile. And I looked at that and I said, "There must be something
different here. When I get out of this, I'm going to get an
education." But I had desire., and if I had to give anyone
anything, if I had to develop a pill for anyone here, I would
develop a pill called desire, because if you have desire, you can
run a marathon. You will have the will, and when you have the
will in this country, you can just about do anything. There is a
lot of opposition out there, but with desire, we can accomplish a
lot, and together and with the energy that I see here in this
room, it's incredible what can be done with this country. Thank
you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you, Dr. Del Toro. They've been at
it for four hours, too, so that's really a lot of energy.
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MR. JIM FILLBRANDT: Well, I'm overcome by the prior
speakers. Irma, you and I have been bouncing around this town on
various projects for some thirty years. I can remember back when
we used to sing "We Shall Overcome" and march aimlessly around
the Bank of America building. And I recall opening up centers on
Owens and Virginia street where teachers from the Kern High
School District tutored students. When I heard these comments
here today, I couldn't help but feel, my gosh, we haven't moved
at all.
You know, there's a vast difference of opinion between
the way many of you see the public school system and the way I
see it. I've spent my entire life inside of it. I recruit
teachers in some thirty states. I know that the best minority
teachers we can get come from Kern County. Can't get them from
other places. They won't come here. But white teachers don't
come here, either. They like to stay at home. Most teachers
teach within sixty miles of where they were born. And so we're
out there tromping around looking, and we're trying to get the
best we can get, and I think -- you know, there's so much
misinformation that at least my point of view and other people's
point of view is very different. And it's hard to get a
consistent -- one thing I'm sure of.
The public school system needs to be a favorable
element in the lives of the public's children, and when the
public doesn't 'think that it's doing that job, then the school
system is in fact a failure.
You know, regardless of what you think, I believe that
almost any measure of how minorities, ethnic minorities, are
doing in public schools in the thirty-five years that I've been
around, would inãicate there's a major improvement. We've heard
today that there weren't many males graduating from B.C. Thirty-
five, years ago, there probably weren't any. The number of
students that are entering public schools of all races is higher.
The number of minority students taking calculus, geometry -- the
higher offerings in mathematics and gifted programs -- is all up.
The number of students graduating from high school is all up --
maybe not where it should be, but one has to keep from being
depressed. One has to keep your eyes on the horizon, even though
you have to work with the facts that you're faced with, and to
get down to a point that's really not directly relevant, but it's
important. There are people who want to abandon the public
schools. There are people who want tax credits for private
schools. There are people who want vouchers for private schools.
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I, It seems to me that the absolute core, heartbeat, of
this democracy is a strong and effective public school system,
because those opportunities you talked about won't be there if
,the public school system isn't a'respectable place to learn
skills. ~e need to be careful right now, because there's a whole
section of the society who would like to form an alliance to do
something about weakening that system, and what will happen then
is it will become a repository for the inept.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you.
DR. JIM FILLBRANDT: That's not going to be good for_any of
us.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Denise?
MS. DENISE PANDOL: I have a difficult time following this
group, but I'd like to say that this has been extremely informa-
tive for me to be here today, and it has been an honor to hear
from members of the community. I'd I ike to say in addi tiori to
desire, it takes a lot of perseverance, and I appreciate the
perseverance, that apparently a lot of you have had in working
very hard to get through school. I myself was encouraged to
marry right out of high school and I chose not to, and was
discouraged on every side beèause I came from' a very low socio-
economic background, and I know my family sort of wanted me,to
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Whether you're black or brown, or yellow, Oriental, or I
a female, or Jewish, I think that you're going to suffer from
discrimination and prejudice along life's path, and the important
thing to remember, I think, is that you have to believe in
yourself and your goal, and you have to keep that goal in front
of you until you fi~ally achieve it. I like what Mr. Williams
said in terms of it's important in overcoming the difficulties
and obstacles to change one's thinking. I know I've had to
change my thinking about a lot of things. I think this meeting
today probably has changed the thinking of some of us. It's made
a tremendous impression on me today. I'm overwhelmed.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Are you through? Okay. Thank
you. Okay. We're going to have to move really quick. Justi,ce
system is next. We're going to take a five-minute break and we
do mean five minutes because we're running twenty-three minutes
late. Thank you.
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JUSTICE SYSTEM
MR. KAY MADDEN: -- panel, because some of them have --
okay, we're going to go ahead and get started because you'll
notice that as we progress on, if we're here too late some of our
panel will be leaving, and we want to get -- we would like to get
everything in front of them that we can before that starts
happening to us.
Okay, we'll start at the end of the table with Marque
stansberry, and we'll have everybody introduce themselves coming
around this way, the panel, and then you can have up to a minute
to talk if you choose. Thank you. Marque? Marque, go ahead and
introduce yourself and --
MR. MARQUE STANSBERRY: Hello. My name is Marque
Stansberry. I'm currently the President of the local Bakersfield
Chapter of the N.A.A.C.P. I'd like to again thank, as I did
earlier, Ms. Carson for getting this forum panel together because
I think there is a definite need, and in hearing the speakers and
the panelists earlier this morning, I think it just simply
reaffirms the need for open dialogue in regards to the pertinent
issues of the day.
I would also at this time like to state that while we
will discuss criminal justice, I want to remind the participants
that you cannot view any of the topics that we have discussed
today in separation. Only by looking at them as they relate and
interrelate to each other and each topic can you really begin to
ascertain or to develop a comprehensive perspective in dealing
with the issues that we're looking at. Overall, we're looking at
issues of ethnicity, and while I'm very pleased with regard to
the people who are here today, it is part of introspection that
would ask who isn't here today? What elements are not being
represented?
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you, Marque. Mark Arnold.
MR. MARK ARNOLD: I'm Mark Arnold, Kern County Public
Defender, and we're here to answer any and all questions that you
may have.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Mr. Lopez -- or, Officer
Lopez.
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MR. CARL SPARKS: Carl Sparks, Kern County Sheriff. I'd I
like to waive any statement at this time, so we can get on to the
questions because I'm here to listen to what you have to say.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you.
MR. ED JAEGELS: Ed Jaegels, Kern County District Attorney.
I feel the same as the Sheriff.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Eric?
MR. ERIC MATLOCK: Eric Matlock, Bakersfield Police
Department, Assistant Chief, and I, too, am here to listen.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Steve?
MR. STEVE BRUMMER: Steve Brummer, Chief of Police, City of
Bakersfield.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Okay, now we're starting .with
the public speakers. Remember that you're limited to three
minutes. The panel will not respond until all of you are done,
then they will be limited to three minutes. Okay, first speaker
I is David Williams. David? Okay. Okay. Let's do Dion Johnson
!' while we're waiting on -- Devon Johnson. No, you're fine.
Sorry.
MR. DEVON JOHNSON:' Okay. This is my last chance to speak,
right?
MR. KAY MADDEN: Correct.
MR. DEVON JOHNSON: Okay. The justice department--'I've
been waiting on this for a long time. Okay. We know that the
population of Kern County is made up of 5% blacks. Why is it
that the people that ya'all sent to the penitentiary are seventy
-- and I think other -- close to 80% black? We go from a 5%
minority to a 70% majority of the people ya'all sent to the
penitentiaries. Okay?
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Chief -- the Coroner's Office -- I'm having a hard time
understanding why the Coroner Office was merged with the
Sheriff's Department, which you guys say for budget reasons, but
I any time -- like this year we've had nine officer-related
shootings and might maybe more. And the Coroner's D~partment
I which is the Sheriff's Department is there to justify the death
I or whatever -- well, I don't trust that. I don't trust it.
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And I looked at this map that shows the concentration
of hate groups across the united states, and in this region of
Kern County, it's heavily populated than any other place on this
map. And these are the people that you guys pullout of for your
jury pools, that you pullout for your police department, that
you pullout for your public pretenders -- all of the above.
These are the people that we have to go seek counsel for when we
in trouble. All of these are the people that come answer the
calls when there's an arrest or something or a problem in the
community.
I'm not saying all your police officers are like this,
but when I ever have police officers in my community that go by
the names of Mario Brothers and Eldano with these gang member's
names, something is wrong. Why would you have a gang member name
if you're not in there acting like a gang member? If you going
in there acting like a gang member, you going to be labeled like
a gang member, so yeah, the community named them Mario Brothers,
Eldano, Scarface, Dickhead and all of the above. They using
gestapo tactics in our community, slave patrol, all of that at.
And see, that's -- this is going have to stop one way or the
other. Your police, they seem to think that every black male is
a potential threat.
The reason why I say this when I get pulled over, if I
walking or driving, I see your gun before I even know what's
really going on. You're quick to throw handcuffs on me. They
say it's for their protection, but this is the way I'm treated
every day.
One minute, right? Right? Now, I don't see how you
guys can honestly sit up here and justify -- these numbers don't
lie. We have a bad, serious problem with the racism and how it's
infiltrated our judicial system. When I look at judges like
Judge Klein who obviously did something unethical, but he's
acquitted. But then you have a bloody fit when Olford Rollins
case is overturned, and that case had all kinds of holes in it.
Okay? Or your prosecution is overzealous.
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This plea-bargain act is a crime. You charge a person
' with a charge you know they didn't do whether -- and get them a
whole bunch of years you know they can't do, so they come back
and get their plea bargain because they don't want to go through
the fact of sitting up in a jail for six, seven months fighting a
case losing they jobs and they families and everything else.
This is -- I'll tell you, this is why ya'all lead the state in
plea bargains. It's a tactic. And it need to stop. You need to
get them racist poliée and judges and prosecution and all them
people -- you need to screen them better and get them up out of
there.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. David Williams.
MR. DAVID WILLIAMS: I really want to talk about Eldano and
Mario and that community. They going telling the west side Crips
that they allowing the Bloods -- I'm telling you -- they allowing
the Bloods to smoke Sherm and tell them everything that's going
on and running to individual bases insert lies. This is what
mainly is keeping the killing going on. They need to be -- they i
need to investigate them people. I get in confrontations with
them every day because I'm raising up them brothers to understand
what they are doing to them. Don't listen to them. These things
is going on in the street. I encourage all ya'all to come out
there with me. Ain't nothing- going to happen to you. And you
can see it for yourself what the police is doing. '
I'm not saying him and him and him. I don't know
what's going on in the background, but I'm telling you that the
people that's out there now -- I -- Officer Jail, I don't know
Eldano's name. This is street name, Mario. This is what he done
named hisself. This is how much he had manifested in what's
going on. They got gangster names, not enforcing the law that
you tell them to go do., And I'm not putting it on all police,
but these particular two. We supposed to stop this violence, not
come up off the violence. Your'v.G.C. grants -- G.V.S., thank
you. You see what I'm saying? These the type of things that I'm
talking about, these law enforcement, four hundred and fifty
thousand dollars to keep them kin active within the community
fighting for the betterment to stop such thing doing that. They
causing strife.
I'm inviting all ya'all to come out there behind closed
doors and just see this for yourself what these two officers be
doing. You need to get them out of the community and put
somebody in there that's going to stop the problem. We ain't mad
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because you come in there and do what you do. That's your job.
We know that we, too, are right in the lack of knowledge until
the point that we don't care about nothing and we don't do
anything, but see, that's stopping. See, that's the label that
you got to get off of because it's stopping out there in them
streets.
All that killing and violence -- where's these AK's-
47's coming in from? Is they made here? We ain't buying them,
so where is they coming from? I'm not saying they coming from
you, but how are they getting in the community? How are the
drugs getting in the community? If you saying it really ain't a
problem like ya'all got in that newspaper, then how is it getting
in there? They don't even have the knowledge to make it. They
really ain't got a knowledge to sell it because they all locked
up.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you, Mr. williams.
MR. DAVID WILLIAMS: Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Jesse Boyar?.
MR. JESSE BOYAR: Thank you. I passed out some of these
copies of these papers. I think everyone received a copy of it.
MR. KAY MADDEN: That's correct.
MR. JESSE BOYAR: Okay. I'm glad that you have a copy of
it, because as you know, this was never -- or I was never able to
get it in the Bakersfield Californian, and I tried -- before they
started building all the prisons in Kern County, I tried to bring
people in from the outside and were here in Kern County that were
opposed to the prisons and that had alternative programs, and I
was never really successful at doing that. So I guess now where
I'm at is I still have this article and I'd like to read it if I
may.
It's the High Cost of Incarceration. Most citizens
understand that prisons are expensive to build and operate, but
few understand just how expensive. Administration of jails and
prisons is calculated by dividing their annual budget by the
average daily prison population. This produces a low estimate on
actual costs. In their calculations, they often exclude
contracted services for food, medical care, legal services and
transportation provided by other government agencies. These
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additional expenses increase costs by twenty to twentY-five
percent. These are direct hidden' expenditures. How about the
tax money lost to society which would have been paid by those in
prison? Welfare paid to families of prisoners, the land of I
prison guards exemption from real estate taxes?
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Prisons are totally enclosed institutions which remain
invisible to the public. Who knows what's really happening
behind those closed doors? Construction of prisons means
borrowing money, and we all know about high interest rates that
escalate costs. The same happens here. By borrowing, figures
sometimes triple. A survey of thirteen states with ongoing
prison construction revealed cost overruns that averaged 40% of
the original budget projections. It is estimated that it will
cost approximately 268,000 -- these numbers have probably gone up
-- per bed for construction alone. If we add a 2% inflation'
factor, taxpayers will pay over one million dollars for each
prisoner over a thirty-year period. This was the research that I
did. I'm sure that this -- you know, there's -- it could be more
money now.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Okay. I'm going to have to stop yo~ now
because you --
MR. JESSE BOYAR: Okay.
MR. KAY MADDEN: -- you just-went over.
MR. JESSE BOYAR: Okay; so I thank you for it, and the rest
of it you can read for yourself, and I'm hoping that you folks
willb~ influential in getting a debate on prison construction
and giving an opportunity to people --
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. We need Kenneth Johnson now.
MR. JESSE BOYAR: -- to get have this on television and on
the newspapers. Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Kenneth Johnson.
MR. KENNETH JOHNSON: Okay. Law enforcement. Okay, let's
go into this law enforcement, people that's supposed to be
protecting and serving. But you're serving yourself. Who is you
protecting? You sure ain't protecting us. Prectatorizing with
that eagle -- stray predator. We know that most of your money
comes from the community. Yeah, you can laugh at it. That's how
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you feel about the community. Look at them. That's how they
care about you. But that's just your own wickedness, and you
going to get caught up in your own wickedness -- not by me, but
from a god of righteousness, because you going to go out with
this wicked world because your heart is already hardened. All
this wickedness that ya'all got going on, talking about your
protecting and serving somebody.
Justice, equal scales -- you don't even know what a
scale is, the way you're running things around here. Peniten-
tiaries got -- making profit off penitentiaries. People's
lives -- allowing gang-banging to go on out in them streets.
Don't want to try to stop it so you can get some more G.V.S.
grants -- gang violence suppression. That's where you get most
of your money at. You don't want to see it stop.
Got your officers out there running around from side to
side, instigating to murder, and then go home like you ain't done
nothing. I don't see how you sleep. But then that's your wicked
heart though, because you just sit up here and laughed about it.
But you're showing your nature -- predators, vipers. Yeah,
that's you. I'm not scared of you, because I got a god of,
righteousness, and you do anything to me, everybody got to go one
day, and ya'all got to answer to him just like I do. So I don't
fear you. I'm just going to speak the truth on what you doing
around here because you're wicked and you're wrong. That's it.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Pamela Prince.
MS. PAMELA PRINCE: My name is Pamela Prince. And I'm part
of a family here in Bakersfield where we're in local business,
and we really try to work hard to do the right thing, but I just
wanted to share with you an incident that happened. It happened,
a couple of years ago, but it's still on my heart. If anybody
has children, when you're riding down the street, all that
doesn't mean anything.
My daughter" who was in West High School -- she had a
3.7 GPA. She was in Debate, bil,ingual, dressed conservatively --
was stopped by an officer. She was driving a convertible Mustang
with the'top down. He had her get out of the car and started
accosting her, and saying -- and she didn't know what was wrong,
and it took about thirty minutes of time. I'm at home -- I'm at
the office, waiting for her to come pick me up, and what happened
was they said that "You fit a robbery suspect." And my thing is
that if you're riding around ,in a convertible and you just robbed
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somebod~, does that make any sense? Why would you be riding
around with the top down? And I felt like I had no recourse. I
didn't know who to turn to to try to find out what was wrong or
what had -- you know, what can be done, because I knew this was
an unjust thing that had happened.
And' I just feel as if the'reason why I'm up here II
taiking is because I'm -- I've been here all day, and the
subjects have been really, really good and I could have spoken on
any subject. But this is hurting my heart because -- you know,
like I said, it doesn't mat'ter how good of a citizen you are, I
when you're riding down the street; it doesn't mean squat. I
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They'll stop you, and this has happened to us, and I just,
honestly feel that something should be done where this doesn't
happen to someone else's child.
My business is -- you know, we provide entertainment, I
we do marketing, advertising.' Mr. Sparks, we've done that' for
your organization, and the young men that we send out -- there's I
four black men, and the reason why we really do that is because
we want you to see that we do have people in the community that
are trying to dó good and,spread good will, and -- but they're
not at the end of barrel, and that you have to try to look at
everyone individually as much as possible, and -- you know, so
that everyone is treated more fairly. Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: 'Thank you. Virginia Reade.
MS. VIRGINIA READE: I'm Virginia Reade. I'm from L.A.
I've been here four months. First, I want to say that the most
racist act that could be committed on a group is to deny their
race of origin. The European term Hispanic 'and Latino denies
U.S. Mexicans their identity and self-esteem. I am a Mexican.
California State prisons and jails are already crowded with
Mexicans and Africans, the maj-ority for drugs and drug-related
crimes. During the Simpson trial, the whole world heard the
Furman tapes and his statements, how Mexicans and Africans
: belonged in prisons and he'd do his damnedest to .set them up.
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Why hasn't Farracon been condemned? Why hasn't he been charged?
How many Furmans -- did I say Farracon? I meant Furman. How
many Furmans are there in Bakersfield?
The fact is prisons are big business. The staté of
California has budgeted more for prisons than education. The
prison industry is on the-stock market, and Mexicans and Africans
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males are the commodity. That's why education and the economic
development is not happening in the Mexican and the black
community, because they don't want to lose their commodity.
Meanwhile, eight billion dollars in known laundered
drug monies are sitting in the federal reserve banks of the
western region. The federal reserve chair, Greenspan, refuses to
give any information on his depositors, U.s. banks. If you or I
laundered drug monies, we're sent to prison, and our monies are
confiscated, our properties are confiscated.
Clinton recertified Mexico and China among other
nations as cooperating fully with U.S. counter-narcotics efforts.
Seventy-five percent of the cocaine in the U.S. comes from
Mexico, through Mexico. The drug lords control Mexican Narco
Politicos and the government. One drug lord, Garcia Aldrego,
paid out fifty million dollars a month to buy authorities on both
sides of the border. Clinton had to recertify Mexico in order to
validate N.A.F.T.A. He can't admit that Mexico is controlled by
drug lords and narco politicians who are flooding the U.S. with
trucks full of cocaine under N.A.F.T.A. The Chinese are doing
the same thing on the west coast with China Gold heroin that's
one hundred percent pure. The heroin is coming in on the ships'
containers that are unloaded without inspection. The one-
hundred-percent China Gold heroin is replacing cocaine as the
drug of choice among our young.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Okay. I'm going to have to stop you, but
thank you. Your time is up.
MS. PAMELA PRINCE: Because of its purity, they are
snorting and --
MR. KAY MADDEN: Excuse me.
MS. PAMELA PRINCE: -- they are over --
MR. KAY MADDEN: Excuse me.
MS. PAMELA PRINCE: -- dosing.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Your time is up.
MS. PAMELA PRINCE: They are dying like flies.
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MS. PAMELA PRINCE: Why don't you people of power do
something to clean it up?
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. We'll have Isaiah Crompton,
please.
MR. ISAIAH CROMPTON: Hello again. The subject is the
system -- the judicial system. I have a younger brother -- I'm
going to get right to the point. I have a younger brother, a
year younger than me, that's doing life for drug charges. If it
had been powder cocaine, he would have been out a year ago, but
since it was rock cocaine that's primarily used in the -- with
the African-Americans, he's doing life in Lompoc Federal.
Penitentiary. Something needs to be done about these,laws. Why
should -- if rock cocaine is just cocaine, you know -- it's the
same thing as powder. You know, why lock one person up for a
longer period ,of ti~e? He's doing more time than another person
that killed someone or been a child molester or something. ,
They'd get out, but he's got life. The system -- it takes from
eighty-three to a hundred and nineteen dollars a day to house a
prisoner. That's a lot of money.
(UNKNOWN): What was that amount again?
MR. ISAIAH CROMPTON: From eighty-three to a hundred and
nineteen dollars a day in the federal prison. What I see happen-
ing is that people, when they get picked up on a drug charge,
instead of sending these people to prison or to Lerdo for a long
period of time, or nine,months, there are programs that could
help for first-time offenders that need to be considered, and
there are recovery programs in our community that can -- the
people can benefit from them. They're not bad people. I think a
lot of them are maybe sick people with a problem, the problem of
, addiction, or alcoholism. You know, I look at alcoholism and
drug addiction as just like diabetes. It's a problem. It's a
condition, and I think that the whole system, the whole prison
system, needs to be looked at and changed.
There needs to be some changes in that prison system,
because if you go in a drug addict, you'll come out a car thief,
and everything because you'll be around a whole bunch of other
people with problems and there's no real recovery there for the
people that go through it. And this is not nothing I read or
seen on t.v. This is something I've experienced. I've been to
prison four times. I've done a year ,of County time. That was in
the past. That was seven years ago. Now, I'm part of the
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solution. But there needs to be a change in the judicial system.
There needs to be a change in the prison system, you know. And
that's what I needed to say. Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Rick Miltoor.
MR. RICK MILTOOR: Good afternoon, board. To address this
panel, I would have to basically ask my Father in Heaven to give
me strength, because I'm dealing with the individuals that have a
lot of power, okay. I ask the board, especially the Police Chief
and the other members of this panel presently, to give forgive-
ness to my fellow brothers, okay? Because they are a part of
what life has given us, which is nothing, which is causing us to
do whatever means necessary in order to live.
It doesn't do me any good to sit -- or to stand here
and talk to the Police Chief and others of what's going on
because that's their job. They know what's going on. But in the
eyes of God, through me, I request only one favor in this
lifetime, and that's to understand what's going on in the
concerns of the community. Because in your heart, you know -- in
your heart, you really, really know what's going on and it ,hurts
me because I have kids growing up in Kern County, okay? And I
don't know if I want them to grow up in Kern County, okay?
Because what that means is that if someone does something wrong
to my kids, I would do anything necessary to protect them.
I came here with nothing. I will leave with nothing,
and because I'm an African-American, I stand here and will tell
you that I would do everything in my power to make a change the
way you perceive African-American people in general, but I ask of
you in the name of God, to dig a little deep and really under-
stand what's happening. Don't make fun of it. It's not in your
community, but it's in God's world, and let's make a change,
because I'm tired of it.
I don't have any criminal record. I'm just a child of
God living in Satan's world, and I get up each morning and pray
to God that He give me the strength to deal with the things that
go on day to day in the community. And our leaders -- you are a
big part of what's happening, and you can make changes. You know
what's going on, and I pray -- right now, without being on my
knees, that someone does something to make a change. Thank you.
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today. And I had to pray real hard -- real hard about twenty
minutes ago for God to come back in my life and let me refocus on
what I'm here today for. So I forgive some of you people. I.
forgive all of you people in God's name.
Now, I want to bring the issue. Last year, I was
arrested in this County for election fraud. I got files of where
people lived. I got the trust deeds to their house. I got where
they moved, when they moved and how they moved, and not one Of
them were arrested. I went to Los Angeles and hired an investi-
gator to investigate Nancy Berrigan -- the same person who signed
the complaint for me that no one choose to investigate. Well, we
came up with different statistics.
On the fact of ex-felons running for office, I have a
letter from Mr. Jaegels where you called me a con man. "You said
in your opinion, you agreed with the Chief of Police, and you
said that as far as you were concerned, an ex-felon should not be
doing anything in this community. Okay? That's your opinion.
But I got God, and eventually I got.the appellate courts, a,nd
eventually I got-the United States Judicial Department who is now
looking into those allegations. On October 16th, when I was in
Washington, D.C., I submitted nineteen files to the Justice
Department.
I guess what I'm saying is is that because we're ex-
felons, because in 1983 I was on drugs, I was a sick man, I
didn't know right from wrong because the drugs had me going.
Everybody can change. You have to see that change in them and
work with them. Once you're a con, you're not always a con.
I've got God, and I want to tell you that eventually I will be
vindicated.
But the point that I'm saying is, in everyone's heart,
please look to God because see, God comes like a thief in the
night. When you're jogging, when you're walking down the street,
God takes that breath out of that body. See, you can't do wrong
to everybody. So I guess what I'm saying is I think that we need
to do some things in reference to investigating complaints. I
properly~ I went out to where Conni Brunni was supposed to have
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lived, and I took a video camera out there and video-cammed her '
moving_and coming. I didn't see Cohni for nineteen days, but yet I
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MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you, Wesley.
MR. WESLEY CRAWFORD: All right. Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Laura Dennison?
MS. LAURA DENNISON: I've been here most of today listen-
ing, and I want to thank Irma Carson for bringing us together,
wherever she is at this point, and the fact that we have had a
chance to talk. We've heard a lot of things from a lot of
people, and I hope that this kind of dialogue can continue with
people from all parts of the community listening to each other
and talking.
We've got a lot of problems -- local problems, most of
them, that really need to be dealt with, and we can find a lot of
local solutions if we work together on it. And I hope that
somehow Irma and others in the community will help us -- all of
us can do it, I guess -- trying to come together in a regular
kind of way, publicized so that people know about the meetings
and have them continue for a while so that we can look at some of
the problems of racism and discrimination, some of the things
we've heard about today, and talk about the kinds of services and
amenities that we can find in this community, find ways to put
together that will help to solve some of the problems.
And I think some of the most urgent ones are the
economic and the educational problems to help prevent crime from
originating, and also the crime prevention things that we can do
for kids -- the recreation, the activities, that are desperately
needed so that there's no time for gangs and for mischief, from
graffiti on up and down. And these are the things that we can
find to do here, but those of us who care have got to convince
the rest of the community that that's where some money and some
effort needs to go. And I hope very much that we'll be able to
continue doing this. Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Douglas MacAfee?
MR. DOUGLAS MacAFEE: Hi. My name's Doug MacAfee. I'm a
little nervous, but thanks a lot everyone for being here. I
I think that it's -- we are the people and if the people will lead,
I our leaders will follow. The truth is is that the truth is the
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Dr. Jocelyn Elders was fired, a Surgeon General in the United
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states, because she suggested that the war on drugs is worse than
drugs. She suggested that we consider legalizing drugs.
I'd like to read from the Hoover Resolution which I I
think was adopted by the Human Relations Commission a few years I
ago. The overall situation regarding the use of drugs in our
society and the crime and misery that accompanies it has
continued to deteriorate for several decades. Whereas our
society has continued to attempt at enormous and financial cost
and loss of civil liberties to resolve drug abuse problems
through the criminal justice system and with accompanying
increases of prisons and number of inmates, whereas the huge
untaxed revenues generated by the illicit drug trade are
undermining legitimate governments worldwide, and the present
system has spawned a cycle of hostility by the incarceration of
disproportionate numbers of African-Americans, Hispanics, and
other minority groups, and the number of people who'have
contracted AIDS, hepatitis and other diseases from contaminated
hypodermic needles is epidemic under our present system. And in
our society's zeal to pursue our criminal approach, legitimate
medical uses for the relief of pain and suffering of patients,
have been suppressed.
Therefore, and I think it -- the resolution states that
it is resolved that our society must recognize drug use and abuse
as the medical and social problems that they are, and that ,they
must be treated with medical 'and social solutions. In the words
of Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders, "While drugs are bad, the war
on drugs is worse. We should reject war policy and consider harm I'
reduction.' The drug war is not the answer. Peace, please." I
Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Earnestine Harper.
MS. EARNESTINE HARPER: I could stay here all day and I
could say a whole lot of things about what's going on in Kern
County, but time will not permit me. But I do want to say these
few words. The criminal justice system in Kern County is a
criminal system without justice. There is ~o justice here in
Kern County. I'm a witness to that. I could cite case after
case after case where racism plays a big -- I mean, a tremendous
part in who gets arrested, yet blacks and Hispanics are not the
only people using drugs, pushing drugs.
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But in comparison to the number of them that are in
jail, you would think that they are pretty much it. They're the
only ones that's doing all the criminal activity around here.
There are a few others. We throw in with the mix of the Mexicans
and black people.
I've had the opportunity to talk to Mr. Jaegels,
Mr. sparks at a Urban dinner -- Urban League dinner with
Mr. Sparks. I mentioned to him how they're readily picking up
people off the street -- blacks, Hispanics, primarily, somehow
another. And I don't know about the Indian. I'm sorry. I'll
get in touch with you. I don't know about that. But I do know
what I'm talking about.
My daughter was even accosted, and she was criminally
assaulted. But this man happened to be white, and that made the
difference. I have the case. I went to his office, Ed Jaegels,
for him to prosecute this man. We had evidence, we had doctor --
we had all the doctor's statement. He not only molested my
daughter, but a young man who was trying to get his life
together, a little Hispanic boy, with that kid run off from the
home where my daughter was trying -- when she left on vacation,
that man destroyed that child and the work that they had been
doing with this child. But he went free. She was a black
American, and he was Hispanic American. So they said, "You don't
have enough evidence." We had people who was eyewitness. But
that's one case. I have so many cases, I could never, never tell
them all.
What the justice -- this so-called justice system has
done in this community -- but thank God. And I trust Him, I
believe in Him. The day will come, and believe it or not, you'll
remember this when it does come, that God Almighty is going to
open up the jail doors and let us set his offsprings free. We'll
rehabilitate. That's going to come, and even though you consider
us as non-humans -- the niggers and the this and the that, we're
not niggers, and we're not non-human.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Okay. Thank you, Earnestine.
MS. EARNESTINE HARPER: Okay.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Michael Walker.
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MR. MICHAEL WALKER: I'd like to thank the panel, and good
afternoon. I want to say this here right off. Hopefully we can
shed some light on what's been said. I would like to ask the law
enforcement, especially Carl Sparks and the D.A. and possibly the
Chief of Police here -- or Assistant Chief; excuse me if I'm
wrong. The money that we -- I know that when you confiscate
drugs and all this kind of stuff -- property, cars and this kind
of stuff -- can some of this money be allocated to a new Boys'
and Girls' club here in Bakersfield? It may sounds funny. Why
is a population of over two hundred thousand in Bakersfield and
we only have one Boys' Club? We don't have the money, the County
says, it's not their responsibility.
If we're going to help the community, why don't we use
this money here to open up another facility on the south side of
town? Because I really don't think the Police Department need
another gun or armored tank or another rocket that can shoot
through brick walls. Mr. Sparks, your Department and the Highway I
Patrol -- ya'all got more stuff now than you had in Korea. The !
soldiers weren't even equipped with what the Police Department I
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¡ have. I've watched SWAT units run around. I say, "Damn, we
" didn't have that in Vietnam," you know. If you wake up in .the
morning and you see a bush out there and you didn't have a bush
when you went to bed, you should know something's wrong. So I
think some of that money could be -- and I think it could be more
wisely spent, allocated, if we had more Boys' and Girls' -- you
know, more activities than another gun or a tank or whatever. i
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.And I'd also like to ask law enforcement to really I
consider again a police review board. What the brothers in the
community is saying, not only we think it is morally wrong and
all the other kind of stuff, but police officers judging police.
officers -- do we allow bank robbers to judge other bank robbers?
No, we don't. And I know you probably say, "Do I have experi-
ence," and all this kind of stuff, and you know, what;. have you.
I really believe we'll be better 6ff and it'll solve a lot, you
know, hold stuff down in the future.
Also, what the brothers asking about -- apparently we
.do have some Mark Furman's and some Stacey Koontz in our
department ,here. I wish you would do more to get rid of them.
And Mr. Sparks -- and I'd like to address this to you,
personally -- making statements in the paper that we're going to
kick butt big time doesn't help things. It really doesn't help
because I know the brothers tell me and I know what I say to
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myself. You got to bring butt to kick butt. So when a police
officer gets shot, the whole community went to rally around and
killed this guy. So let's be careful of what we say. And it
also could go to Mr. Jaegels, too -- some comments that you made
during the O.J. Simpson, condemning the jury is foul. Those
people sacrificed they time, they did the best with what they had
to work with, and we also want these people to serve on juries.
And just because the verdict is not the way we think it should
have been, to condemn those people is foul.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you, Mike
MR. MICHAEL WALKER: Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Ron Winterhawk smith.
MR. RON SMITH: Hi. I'm Ron Winterhawk smith. I'm a
Native American, and I just want to know why the Sheriff's
Department doesn't want to work with the Native American
community out here. There's over twelve thousand of us.
And about Robert Trevino up in Tehachapi, that drum is
a sacred thing to us. There's more than one drum here in this
county, and I wear what's called a medicine bag. That's my life
in there. Anybody gets into it -- you know, it's a fight. And
that's -- I don't understand why you and the City Police Depart-
ment don't want to work with us. We're out there. We're twelve
thousand. So you know, the only ones that I have respect for
right now is the Highway Patrol. I had some punks come by my
house, shoot at it. I was in my car, and if it hadn't been for
the Highway Patrcl after I chased them all the way to the other
side of town, you know, they never would have been caught. And
the Sheriff's Department -- two or three minutes later, they show
up after the shooting. And then the investigation work -- that's
the sloppiest work I've ever seen in my life. I was in law
enforcement for twenty-three years with the government, okay? I
had to show the deputy where the bullets went. I had to find
them for him -- the slugs. He says, "Oh, what was it? An
automatic or revolver?" I said, "It was a revolver because
there's no shell casings out there." I mean, I could have had a
chimpanzee out there do a better job than he did. I mean, you
know, what's the justice system coming to here, especially the
Sheriff's Department?
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You know, I live in the County. The city Police -- I
come downtown once in a while, and they just cruising around.
But your deputies out there -- I see a deputy maybe once every
three months. I see more Highway Patrolmen than I do deputies,
and we have some that live in our neighborhood out there.
Okay. So I would like to know what you're going to do
to work with the Native American community, the City and the
county, and try and get things going here between us. We're
here, and we're willing to work with you and teach you about our
culture and our heritage, and the things you can't touch and the
things you shouldn't touch. Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Reverend George Lartigue.
REV. GEORGE LARTIGUE: I'm Reverend George Lartigue. Good
afternoon -- almost evening. We have over three million laws on
our law books, and yet things have not changed. In fact, things
have gotten worse, and I do work in two different prisons as a
minister. And when I was being trained to go in as a chaplain, I
was told that there is no rehabilitation done. And I feel that
law enforcement individuals and individuals involved in the
justice system should begin to speak out on that issue. If we
are sincere about making things better and not making the system
bigger, then we should be speaking out.
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REV. GEORGE LARTIGUE: -- and that's some of the issues I
feel strongly you should be speaking out on, and the rehabili-
tat ion is one that I strongly feel is needed.
Also I'm very concerned about how the law is applied.
You look across the nation, look at our county, and the law is
not being equally applied, and we need to really look into that.
When I was in Ohio, we were instrumental in getting the police
and other law enforcement people psychologically tested, and
thoSe who did not pass that test were not hired. And we also
serve on a police citizen relations committee, and we rode around
with police at night to see what their jobs were, and it's a
tough job.
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But one thing I will never forget when I rode with
Sergeant Frazier. He said, "You know, I only see blacks that I
.arrest, so I don't get to see people like you, get to talk to
people like you," he said, "and this has changed my impression,
and now when I'm out in my neighborhood and out in the city, I
have a different impression of blacks. Every black is not a
criminal. In fact, it's only something like 2% who are
committing the crimes."
So I would say to you, let's work together. Let's
formulate a police -- Pale is doing a good' job, and I commend you
for that, but we need an office, something visible, where we can
connect with you and that is not this hierarchy that we can't
reach here. And we want to do the right thing, but we peed you
to exercise the power,and the authority in a very positive
manner. We want to work with you. We want to cooperate. We
don't want to go to jail. We don't want to go to prison. But
it's a big system, and I wonder why it's so big in this state.
Thank,you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you, Reverend. Teri McClanahan.
MS. TERRI MCCLANAHAN: I was raised in a law enforcement
family, and when I came back to Bakersfield, I had my opinion
about the law enforcement here changed dramatically. I was
pulled over by the police, called out of my name, and just went
through a very frightening ordeal so I can identify with what
Pamela Prince had to say. It scared me to death. I'd never
experienced anything like that in my life. So I don't know --
that's just one issue. That has to really be addressed. Not
everybody is a bad person. '
The other thing -- I was listening to the brothers that
spoke earlier and I listened to Dr.- Lartigue -- Reverend
Lartigue, and it's like we don't all want to go to jail. We do
want to live a good life. I live in the southeast, and I don't
f feel that I have to move to stockdale to have my quality of life
improved. I am tired of people standing on the corner, lolly- '
gagging around in the middle of the day shooting craps, selling
dope, and doing everything else. When I leave my community and
drive to stockdale, I don't see anybody standing on the corner
shooting craps and selling'dope, and they do it in stockdale. So
when you drive by my street and you see them standing on the
corner -- and I see the Sheriffs drive by and the police, because
I live in one of those little pockets where one side ,of the
street is the city ,and the other side is the county. 'so I do see
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you out there. But what I also see is that you just kind of like
wave at them and you keep going. I want them off the street.
You promote lawlessness over there. It's like it's
okay to be lawless in southeast Bakersfield. It ain't okay. I
pay taxes. I don't want to have to put bars on my windows. I
don't want to have to feel like when I leave my home, I don't
know if my t. v. is going to be there. I don't want to feel like
I need to move to stockdale to be safe. So I think that really
needs to be addressed. It upsets me. Every time I drive by that
corner, I stop my car and I just look at them. It's like there's
nothing I can do. You know, and I see the Sheriff drive by and
he waves at them, and I'm pissed. I want them off the corner.
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I MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you, Teri. Camille Hill.
MS. CAMILLE HILL: Hi again. It is with great interest
that I finally get to meet the man behind the name, Mr. Jaegels.
Everything impacts everything. I know that felons lose their
voting rights, and the stats say who are the majority of felons?
Voting usually determines the effects on our lives. If we can't
vote, we have no jobs, no means to care for our families. ,We
must feed them by any means necessary. You lock us up, we can't
vote -- vicious cycle. stem the hemorrhage. I'm not angry. I'm
mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it any more.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Florence Douglas? Douglas.
MS. FLORENCE DOUGLAS: It takes great strength to stand up
here before the power, but I know that God has all powers. My
God is the God of peace, not a God of confusion. The system has
got to change.
I have a nine-year-old. I have nephews. I have the
future generation behind us, and I don't want my kid, my nephew
or any other of our future generations caught up in the system.
The negativity of our young blacks on the front page of the news-
papers -- Olford Rollins convicted of first-degree murder. He
ran track yesterday at Bakersfield College -- just a small,
little written-up -- placed first in the triple jump.
Our brothers that's trying to make a difference, trying
to ask for your help, but yet you're refusing to give them
justice. We are counting and we are depending upon you. We
don't want our system to fail. We only want to trust and to
believe in our system. But it's up to you to work with us so
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that we can make the change together. As I said before, it
hardens my heart. I have a nine-year-old, and many others that
are behind, and I don't want him to be a part of this system.
Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Judy Keyes?
MS. JUDY KEYES: Good afternoon, and thank goodness this is
the last panel, because I don't have to use self-discipline any
more and convince myself to not get up. It's awfully hard to
stay seated and not address a panel such as this.
I'll start off by saying first of all that we're not
for the differences. We would be equal. And I think the differ-
ence that I see and hear and feel so much as I am from this
community, a part of this community -- but I think all of us who
really are sort of sick and tired, and tired of being sick and
tired, we really need to address these people on the panel here
because even though not all of them are the color of our skin, I
think they're all human beings, and I think they all feel the
pain that we feel, and I think fear js something that we all as
human beings must feel. .
And I think I can say as the first governor's appointee
to the Office of Criminal Justice Task Force, Crime Prevention --
I was the first Crime Prevention Officer from the County of Kern.
I traveled to Sacramento and represented my county, free -- per
diem, and I was certainly reimbursed. However, what I think I
heard from our brothers and sisters here and from the community,
the fact that that became a paid position didn't really anger me
because I didn't apply for it. I didn't look for it. But I
certainly would have liked to have been considered when it became
a paid position. So I can represent you here today on every
panel, each and every panel, but I appeal to all of us in the
room here is to walk a mile in a person's shoes before you judge
them.
Look at Carl Sparks over there. Look at. Ed Jaegels. I
think the stare-down there a moment ago was pretty obvious.. I
don't think anyone really needs to yield. I don't think any of
us really need to be threatened, intimidated. I think we all are
parents, grandparents. Well, we have educators in the room here.
We. have law enforcement. We have family. We have friends.
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Teri McClanahan just said she's tired of driving by
where they're dealing dope and shooting craps. She's stressing
for an arrest. She doesn't want a "Hi, how are you." But then
again, we're appealing to them to "Hey, when our brothers come
along, look at them. Consider. He may be a first-striker, a
two-striker." I heard a gentleman say his brother is doing life.
When is the last time you watched the Cal channel where there is
a move right now in our Congress, in our legislatures, to change
the laws for rock cocaine?
But if you break the law -- if you break the law and
commit the crime, you need to stop and think. We're going to
have to do the time. I told my son and my daughter. I refused
to leave your father when he says, "You're not breaking the law
and coming home." Well, if you break the law and come home,"
you're going to have to deal with Arthur Keyes, because I'm not
leaving Arthur Keyes to deal with you.
There is Dr. Anthony in this audience who has worked
for years at the Bakersfield College to increase the rate and the
enrollment. Less than six or seven percent of minorities attend
Bakersfield College. Dr. Ramos was in high school. Now --
MR. KAY MADDEN: I'm supposed to cut you off.
MS. JUDY KEYES: -- let me -- okay. Please cut me off, but
let me make one point. Before we judge and criticize, look at
the differences. But if it were not for those differences, we
would be equal. How do you want to be treated?
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you.
MS. JUDY KEYES: And then treat others that way.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. We're going to run out of time
for the panel because they have other places to go. Assistant
Chief Matlock has deferred to Chief Brummer because they would
say the same thing, so we'll start with Chief Brummer first.
MR. STEVE BRUMMER: I don't know if we'd say the same thing
or not.
MR. KAY MADDEN: That's what I was told.
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MR. STEVE BRUMMER: I appreciate the opportunity to be
here.' It's been very informative for me to gain an appreciation
of the concerns and perceptions of many in our community. I
certainly cannot speak for every law enforcement officer -- only
speak for myself. I've been involved in this business for
twenty~three years, trying to uphold the law in the manner that I
think our code of ethics has required us to do. Any time that I
think that I am unable to do that, believe me, I will leave the
position because I appreciate the response today of the --
recognizing the importance of law enforcement leadership, and I
take that position very seriously. ~
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There were a number of comments made that I think are
very important to' us as law enforcement administrators that help
us in determining the direction of our organizations, the
cultures of our organizations, and most notably, one of the
things that came to mind was this notion of understanding. And I
think that we can go a long way in developing a better under-
standing of every ethnic background to gain an appreciation of
different cultures, because then I think we can understand that
we can break down these fears and these hostilities because I am
concerned that we will not accomplish what we want to accomplish
or what we collectively want to accomplish if in fact we cannot
agree to do it together. And that is the focus of our efforts
internally in our training programs. '
We have commenced a cultural aware~e$s ~rgining p~ogram
and I appreciate the offer from ,the Natîve Americans, because we
will call on you to offer your perspective. And I may mispro-
nounce the names-- Mr. Miltoor, I would like you to leave your
name and number, if you would. You indicated this need to under-
stand and I appreèiate your insights. Could we call on you?
Because this is the way that I see us gaining a better under-
standing. And so I am calling on you as members of the community
to participate with us in those efforts.
Another area that was discussed and one of the areas
that I personally am very much interested in in terms of the
attitude of law enforcement is the notion that not everybody is a
criminal. And one of the things that we ,are stressing within our
agency and what we're encouraging our officers to do is to
participate in volunteer public service activities that don't
relate to the negative enforcement activities that they are
accustomed to. We have, found that this has been very important
in changing attitudes and enhancing the attitude of public
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service, which we think is very important. And then finally, an
area that --
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you, steve.
MR. STEVE BRUMMER: Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: You know, I've got to tell you one other
thing too, since I'm sitting up here. You know, you'd really be
surprised at the way this panel has been up here taking notes as
you were talking. There is a lot of notes up here. You got
three minutes.
MR. ERIC MATLOCK: I told you I wouldn't say everything. I
can't help but make this comment. Over the last three or four
years, the philosophy of the Department in terms of how we
enforce the laws has been evolving and going through a transi-
tional period. We, have now embarked on a philosophy of
community-oriented police units in certain areas of the city
where we reach out to the community and seek their involvement in
determining what the solution should be to certain problems. So
I would just like to say to those tnat do have a problem with the
way or the manner in which we enforce the law to work with us.
We're reaching out. You can reach out to us, and work with us in
being part of the solution. Thank you.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Sheriff Carl Sparks.
MR. CARL SPARKS: I heard throughout the talks that were
given this afternoon regarding not throwing everybody in prison,
that first-time offenders, especially in the use of narcotics,
need to be treated as a sick person who needs some help. That's
the way this county is going. Ladies and gentlemen, we cannot
throw everybody into prison. You can't afford it. We can't do
it. And we're searching right now through the Criminal Justice
Cabinet to establish alternative sentencing for first-time
offenders in the use of drugs. You have a drug court right here
in Bakersfield that is an example throughout the United States.
Judge Frank Hoover is very well thought of in that area.
It costs in this county twenty-two thousand dollars a
year per inmate at Lerdo. We have twenty-two hundred inmates.
You can't afford to pay for any more. We don't want any more.
So alternate sentencing for first-time offenders in certain
crimes, we are working towards that. You're going to see that
occur in this county. It is going to happen.
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Those of you that say Deputy Sheriffs drive by at
criminal activity on the road, I want to know who those Deputy
Sheriffs are. I don't care if you're black, green, purple,
yellow, white --if you're violating the law, I don't want Deputy
Sheriffs ~riving by you and waving at you and I don't care where
you live. We need your help.
We met with a group yesterday that lives in the
Madison-Felix area. They were very pointed in what they wanted.
They want to be safe on their streets and they're willing to get
involved. We need for you to get involved with us. We cannot do
this by ourselves. You must get involved. That's why we're here
today, because we're reaching out, but you need to meet us
halfway. And together we can do this. By law enforcement
itself, it will not happen.
But we are moving. The community is moving. . The three
strikes laws are the people saying "We've had enough." But the
people are saying, "We're tired of putting bars up on our
windows." This is the United States. This is not ..Russia. I
Ladies and gentlemen, we agree with you one hundred percent.
Together we can do this. Do not expect law enforcement to do it II
by themselves. It will not occur. And if you have to get in our 1
face, get in our face. Thank you. i
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MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you~ Boy, that was right on, Carl.
First time you ever done that. Three minutes.
MR. CARL SPARKS: I practiced that.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Yes, Officer Lopez.
MR. ALFREDO LOPEZ: I'm not an administrator. I'm jûst a
road officer, but I am Mexican-American and I'm very proud of my
culture. The impact that I can make is out on the streets. I do
not forget who I am or where I came from, and when I, have to, I ,¡
speak Spanish. If it means an arrest and it makes it easier 'I
speaking, Spanish, I will do that. At the same time, when you
read in the papers of the bad apples, there's probably twenty
more doing a good job every day. And alII can say is don't
forget about us. Thank you. I'
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MR. MARK ARNOLD: Thank you. Well, actually I'm new to
this county. I've only been here about not even three months
yet, so some of the problems, some of the specifics are cover
items that I'm not familiar with. But I wrote down a bunch of
the topics that individuals discussed, and I obviously don't have
time to discuss those, but let me just make a couple of general
observations if I will.
I really think that this is a very, very healthy
dialogue for all of us. Even though some people were emotional,
some people were sharing some thoughts that were very difficult
for them to share in front of the groups, if you don't have the
community involved with groups like this and if groups like this
are not willing to work with the community and involve themselves
with the community, we're never going to solve these problems.
And I firmly believe that as you members of the
community stepping forward to be involved that really bring about
change like this. And if you want change, you have to partici-
pate, because if you're not part of the solution, you're part of
the problem. And it's time for people to step forward when you
have problems and address those in a public forum. So I think
that this is a really healthy forum. It's a healthy dialogue and
I see a lot of energy in this room. And I think what we can do
if we take this energy and we take positive steps with this
energy and redirect it, we can correct some of the wrongs that I
see occurring here and some of the things that trouble all of
these individuals.
I'm running out of time, but I'm really happy as the
Public Defender, because I have to argue sentencing in front of
courts on a daily basis, that several members came forward in
saying that they had criminal records, and that proves what I've
told the judges, and I've -- I've done -- I've argued as a career
that individuals can change, and just because they have a
criminal background for one period in their life, doesn't mean
they can't grow out of a criminal behavior.
And I'm very, very proud of Sheriff Sparks saying that
he's focusing on alternative sentences, because I think it's time
to realize that we're spending twenty-two thousand dollars a year
to incarcerate someone at a local level, nearly thirty thousand
dollars a year to incarcerate them at a State level. It's
cheaper to send your kid to Harvard than it is to send them to
prison or the County jail for a year. And it's time that we
start spending this money in a more positive fashion. But let me
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just end on a note -- I'm very, very pleased and proud that all
of you here are contributing to this session.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you. Mr. stansberry.
MR. MARQUE STANSBERRY: Thank you, Mr. Madden. I'd like to
again stress that this is an important step and I think we have
to look at things in a positive light and to really identify
areas of opportunity. Truly justice is an issue. Often for many
African-Americans, they have the perception that for justice is
"just us" with regard to those with position and power, and it
does not include the rest of us, and so there needs to be a
redefinition of justice to not be "just us," but justice for
everyone. Obviously there are racial themes within America, and
those themes are consistent within our justice system.
We all know that the United States has the second
largest incarceration rate -- the highest incarceration rate in
the world, second to South Africa at one time or another, and
that here in Kern County we have the highest lock-up rate in the
state of California. Yet our crime rate is still very high.
Living in Bakersfield, oftentimes the criminal scenes are scenes
where I frequent, whether it's down at the corner or around by
the church or at my job site where I, you know,- work. Those are
often, you know, sites of coverage for the media whether it be
Lakeview or any other area. What is also clear is that justice
and criminality are not exclusive to the African-American or I
minority communities -- Mexican-American, Native American. But
criminality permeates the total society. I
What bothers me is the class implications of crime.
Oftentimes certain crimes are punished by extensive sentences and
oftentimes death -- increasingly so, and others are, you know,
given the slap on the hand for insider trading or whatever. So
there'~ a class bias that we see also in the criminal justice I
system. Let me say that with regard to African-Americans and ,I
people of color and justice, I look at O.J. Simpson, and I said
that earlier this morning, but boy, it's been four to five years,
and still on a daily basis, we are bombarded with this one man
who allegedly -- or was found innocent, but nonetheless, we have
such an overemphasis on this one individual, and my question, if
it wasn't a race issue, then why'do we do that?
On the other hand, I cannot tell you one name of a
victim in the Texas bombing -- or, Oklahoma bombing. Thank you.
I cannot rècall one victim. Two hundred people senselessly
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murdered by someone, and yet it does not even deserve ongoing
coverage, yet one man and two victims is covered on a daily basis
for almost three to four years. That's an issue.
We're building more prisons than schools. Our children
are dropping out at higher rates. Our teens are getting pregnant
and all of these things go on, and yet our response is more law
enforcement in these things. I think -- I'm very happy to hear
Chief Brummer and the other chief talk about the fact that we
cannot lock up everybody.
MR. MADDEN: Okay. That's a good place to stop you. Thank
you. Mr. Jaegels. Before Mr. Jaegels talks, I just want to
thank you for all your cooperation because you know, we went
through a lot of three-minute bites today. That's a lot, and
that would -- without your cooperation, it really wouldn't have
been possible. And we really appreciate that. Mr. Jaegels.
MR. ED JAEGELS: I'd like to begin by in particular
thanking Mrs. Keyes for her calm and reasoned approach and her
remarks. I think most of what we have heard today has to do with
the perception of discriminatory enforcement in a number of
different ways. And I'd like to just make a couple of very brief
points about it, and ask everybody whether they agree with my
approach or the Sheriff's approach or the Chief's, or violently
disagree, to at least conslder a few of these facts.
First of all, a point was made on many, many occasions
that a higher percentage of minorities are arrested and
prosecuted. Is there anyone here who doubts for a moment that
there is a higher crime rate in the African-American community,
in the Mexican community, than there is in the community as a
whole, and if there's a higher crime rate, clearly, if the police
are out investigating crimes on equal basis, they will end up
arresting a higher percentage of minorities. And let us remember
that most of the victims -- the huge percentage of victims of
minority criminals are members of the minority communities
themselves. So that does not seem to be the statistical anomaly
that it is portrayed as being, but simply logic, common sense,
statistics.
There is not one person in this room right now -- and
it doesn't matter how they're dressed. They could be dressed
like Reverend Lartigue who could not go to certain -- a couple,
two, three street corners that we all know of right now, and buy
cocaine. I was able to do it, and I'm fairly recognizable and I
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A lot of questions is the incarceration rate too high? Does it
cost too much. Well, it costs a lot, but you know the Rand
Corporation and others have also done studies about what the
costs are if you don't incarcerate people who commit crimes, and
the consensus seems to be that society will pay more in the long
run for not incarcerating criminals, particularly violent
criminals and dope sellers than if they do.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Okay. If you --
MR. ED JAEGELS: Finally, if I just -- I want to -- the
institutionalized nature of the justice system, I thought you
might be interested in a brief set of statistics, because there
were a lot of remarks about Kern County. You know, what
percentage of people who are accused of crime get convicted at
the highest rate in Kern County if we prosecute them -- white
people are convicted by juries most often, not Mexicans, not
blacks -- white. No, no -- on the highest percentage, Wesley.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Okay. The three minutes are up, so I will
exercise my thing and we will stop right there. We have one
other person who has two sentences that he would like to read
prior to -- the panel may leave because I know that you have
something else to go to, and we really appreciate what you've
done for us. Thank you.
MS. IRMA CARSON: We need to have --
(UNKNOWN): Will we have closing remarks, Ms. Carson?
MS. IRMA CARSON: We have some --
MR. KAY MADDEN: -- remarks.
MS. IRMA CARSON: We have some closing remarks here. I
really don't want everybody to leave right now, and I would -- if
you just give us a few more minutes, I have Councilmember Kevin
McDermott who has worked hard, and attended every subcommittee
meeting, helped me to have put this forum together. Let's give
him the same respect that you've given me today.
And as we wrap this up -- as you noticed, there were
some surveys that were passed out. We received over three
hundred surveys back, and we will have some, and then Cal state
is working with Teri McClanahan to finalize that data and I'll
let Kevin go a little bit forward in there.
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But I want to thank each one of the panelist. Let's
give them a hand. You know, this is a tough subject. I've been
where they're sitting so I know it's'tough, and we don't always
have all the correct answers, but we still have to give people
respect, to respond and give us information. I would have liked
to have heard more of the data that Ed Jaegels had. Well, maybe
I can get a copy.
MR. KAY MADDEN: His three minutes were up. Rick?
MR. RICK MILTOOR: Real quick --
MS. MARY HELEN BARRa: Excuse me, but I -- I'm sorry to cut
you off, but I frankly think that you know, we've all had things
to say and if you really want to say more, I can appreciate you
wanting to stay, but we really need to formally wrap this up.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Mary Helen, he's already conceded to let
him read two sentences that he's going to start.
MS. MARY HELEN BARRO: Oh, okay. Fine. Go ahead, then.
I'm sorry.
MR. RICK MILTOOR: The wishes of a black man: I want a
county where I don't have a worry about rape when my daughter
goes out to the stores ,and a college where when my kidS go to -~
you're rushing me, but I'll get it together. My kids go to --
the structure, I have no- need to worry about my kids being shot.
I want a county where when a young man pledges to love and
cherish and honor my daughter for the rest of his life, I want a
county where children come first again, and where virtue is
honored, a place where values matter, and'the American dream is
still a realistic dream for African-Americans~
. I want a county where families no longer'have to hide
behind barred windows and doors, where kids can play in the
public park again without fear, and adults can walk across those
parks at night. In closing, I hope for a place where love of the
county is seen as a vital place again where young boys and girls
are taught the values and blessings they have received throughout
their upbringing, just to have been born and live in such a
glorious place as Kern County.
MR. KAY MADDEN: Thank you.
MR. RICK MILTOOR: Thank you.
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MS. MARY HELEN BARRO: I would like to thank you all for
being here. I hope that this is just the first day of dialogue,
that we can work together on. Irma, I think this was a wonderful
effort. I want to thank you. I am honored as President of the
Kern County Human Relations Commission to have been a part in co-
sponsoring this. And I don't know whether it really clicked. I
sat here and there were concerns, but you felt free to express
them, and I sat here just looking around a moment ago. I saw our
Sheriff, our D. A., our Chief of Police, the President of our
University, the mayor and at least three members of the City
Council in this room listening to you today. When I moved here
in 1984, they wouldn't have been here. If at all, they would
have sent a flunkie. We have made some progress.
We've got people's attention, and thank the good Lord,
we have some leaders now who care enough to be here and try and
work on these solutions. Now, let's not just walk out of here
today and let it end. Let's keep working together to move on.
We're going to come out with a report from this day of dialogue
with some specific action items, and we're going to work on the
solutions together. And if any of you want to continue dialogue,
the Kern County Human Relations Commission meets every second
Tuesday at six P.M. on the third floor conference room of the
Employers Training Resource building. It's an open meeting. You
are all welcome. The address -- is it 2800? Yes, it's 2800 28th
Street.
And -- you know where the -- on F Street where the ice
cream parlor is with the blue awning on it? Okay? Rosemary's?
Yeah, it's right behind there, and we're on the third floor at
six o'clock. You're all welcome. Please come, and thank you
again for being here and for speaking out. Thank you very, very
much. And now I'd like to turn the microphone over to Councilman
Kevin McDermott, who'll rap up on behalf of the City. Thank you.
MR. KEVIN McDERMOTT: Well, thank you very much. I'd like
to begin by a little report on something before I make my
concluding remarks. When we first started looking at the issue
of race relations, we said not only do we want to take some
testimony today, but we wanted to do a survey. And we did a
survey -- we're just getting some preliminary results, but if I
could recognize Teri McClanahan to make a few comments regarding
that survey at this time.
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MS. TERI McCLANAHAN: I ran the data this morning -- the
preliminary data this morning, and as of then, we had 259
responses. I'm told now we have over three hundred. What a
wonderful way to spend Saturday morning. Anyway, the only thing
I was able to get really done this morning is what we call some
descriptives that just kind of describe the data of the people
that responded, and the average age right now is running about
39.75. It seems that in terms of education, 50% of the people
that responde~ had at least some college education, 31% had high
school and 13.5 had only elementary. In terms of ethnicities, we
so far have 38.6 African-Americans, 1.9 Asian, 34.7 European
Americans, 15.4 Hispanic, and/or Mexican.
(UNKNOWN): Thank you.
MS. TERI McCLANAHAN: . You're welcome -- 2.3% Native
American, and 1.5% other. I hope you took. the opport~nity to
look at the survey. Basically what I can say is that I did run
some cross tabs on that one particular question that asked if
relationships have improved. There wasn't really anything.
glaring that came out. I need to do some really further in-depth
analysis, but the majority of people that responded to that
question sáid, "Not sure." So -~ I haven't put a time frame on
when this final report is going to be due, but I will discuss
that with Ms. Carson, and -- so please look forward to it. We're
also going to be meeting with some people from the Hispanic
Chamber. Evidently they ran a similar type survey in the
Hispanic community, and I'm going to be getting with them and
pulling their data as well so we can do some comparisons and see
how things really are in the area.
MR. KEVIN McDERMOTT: Thank you, Teri. I think I'd like to
take the opportunity to make some thank-you comments to begin
with. There's a lot of people been very involved in setting this
process up. I'd like to thank the work that Kay Madden has done
today to keep this session working. I think he's done an
outstanding job. In setting the event up, we've had-a lot of
people who have been very involved, but I'd like to thank one of
, our staff members, Trudy Slater, who's done a yeoman's job here.
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success needed I think the help of the entire community and as we
started the process, we were able to pull in a co-sponsor for
this, and I think it's been very helpful to have the Kern County
Human Relations Commission involved, and thank all the members of
that commission that are here today.
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Mary Helen mentioned the fact that we've had several
councilmembers involved. I think a lot of the vision behind this
came from Irma Carson and also Pat Smith, who's been here most of
the day. I thank them for helping make this I think a very
important thing for our community. But I think another key
person, and probably the one that I want to thank here at the
end, is basically everyone who has chosen to take the time out
today to participate. I think that is what makes Bakersfield,
Kern County, I think a good place for us all to live in.
Today was meant to be a day of dialogue. We did indeed
hear a lot. We heard a lot of pain, heard a lot of people with
suggestions on how to build a better community. When I looked at
the surveys -- and we only have preliminary results on these, but
you saw the same things in the surveys. One of the interesting
things we said -- looked at on some of the surveys, I thought,
was -- I'll call it a bimodal distribution of whether people felt
in this community that we are improving or not. What you found
is that you had instead of a normal bell-shaped type of
relationship, you had some people on the extremes, and that tells
me that indeed there's a lot of pain, and we've heard that today
from a lot of the people when you see that type of things going
on.
I thought it was also interesting in the survey is
it'll be interesting when we get the final results, but the
survey seemed to indicate more concern in the community with the
covert actions ,in terms of race relationships rather than the
overt. Instead of people citing in instances of names or other
direct things, they talked more about courtesy and respect being
a bigger problem.
When we start looking at some of the things that we
heard today, I think you heard a lot of suggestions on how we can
build a better community, and I think one of the ones that I'm
going to take home with me as to something I think the entire
city, state, and nation should focus on, something I heard this
morning from --
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MR. KEVIN McDERMOTT: -- experience, and when I look at
most resumes, everything -- we always list education, experience,
but we never talk about the volunteerism, and yet that probably
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is probably one of the most important aspects, because that's
what it takes to build a better community, and I think that's
something we ought to try and build upon is some of the comments
I heard'there.
And that really gets us to the last portion of my
comments, and that is we've taken today and we've thrown some
stones, but now we have to take those stones and try and build a
house, and that takes us to what steps are next. And those steps
basically is to go back, and we're' going to try and take some of
the testimony today, not only from what we heard in the community
but from the panelists on all the sessions, and see if we can't
draw that together and maybe take some action items to do
something to improve the community, and perhaps have a session on
instead of, you know, some of the things we talked about today,
talk about some concrete actions we can také for the future. So
we're going to try and build that.
I think we're probably going to be working very closely
with the Human Relations Commission in trying to do something in.
the future. But we're going to try and not let the efforts today
stop here, but we're going to try and take those further and to
try and say, "How can we build a better community?" And I'm
still convinced that the thing that makes this a community that
we'll be all proud of is the efforts of volunteers, whether it's
parents, individuals just inv~lved in their own causes, but we
all have to work and make it a better place to live. So again, I
just thank everyone that's been involved and don't let the
process die here. .
MS. IRMA CARSON: Thank you. I want to thank -- before we
leave, let's -- I want to recognize Helen Frankel. I got to,
Helen. She used to be the Coroner, and she's here today with us
and I appreciate her being here. But let us stand and let
Reverend George Lartigue close us out. And you'll be getting a
copy of the -- as soon as the report has been transcribed, we
will be letting the public know so you can get a copy of the
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REV. GEORGE LARTIGUE: Most gracious, holy and just God, we
thank You for all that we have heard and all that we have seen on
this occasion, that You placed on Heaven's calendar before the
foundation of the world was laid. God, we know that You hear the
pain, and You saw the anger. And God, we know that You're a god
all by yourself, and You still in charge, and You took one blo~d
and made all nations. And oh, God, we ask that You would just
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help us to begin to walk together arms in arms, and be a part of
what You want us to be, for we are called according to Your
purpose, and that is to edify and glorify and magnify You.
Racism does not magnify You. Discrimination does not magnify
You. Separation does not magnify You. All these issues grieve
You, and God, we ask You just to forgive us and help us to do
what You would have us do, and do Your will, do Your way. In
Christ's name we pray, thank You, Lord. Amen
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PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
MEMORANDUM
March 20, 1996
TO: Alan Tandy, City Manager
FROM: Darnell W. Haynes. Assistant to the Public Works Director ~
THROUGH: Raul M. Rojas. Public Works Director
SUBJECT: CIP STATUS REPORT - MARCH 1996
Attached is the new version of the CIP status report. The intent of this version is to better inform
, the users of the various milestones a capital project goes through. The CIP status report is
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4. Financial Summary of 1995.96 CIP projects.
5. Financial Summary of 1994-95 CIP Carryover projects.
6. Notice of Completion Report Monthly Report.
7, Plans and Specifications Approved Monthly Report.
If you have any questions of suggestions for improving this report, feel free to contract me.
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TO: A DARNELL HAYNES, ASSISTANT TO THEPUBLIC WORKS DIRECfOR
FROMjf;ACQUES R. LaROCHELLE, CML ENGINEER IV.DESIGN
SUBJE : 1995-96 CIP STATUS
Attached is the schedule of 1995-96 CIP projects. The recently updated schedule was
augmented to clearly show those projects which were added mid-year. These are identified
as shaded project titles.
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We are pleased to present this status report that indicates aU projects are on schedule.
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We are continuing to place emphasis on completing carry-over projects. Following is the
status of those projects which have been carried over.
STATUS OF PRIOR YEAR PROJECTS (In-House)
1. White Lane Improvements-Wible Road to South H Street
Project currently under construction.
2. Hughes/Pacheco Sewer Project
Project is complete.
3. Coffee Road Widening-Brimhall Road to Rosedale Hwy
Project currently under construction.
4. Resuñacing Major Streets-Citywide
The preconstruction meeting was held last week. Actual construction will begin by
the last week of March, 1996.
5. Bridge Replacement-Manor Street at Carrier Canal
Bids have been received, will be awarded at the April 3, 1993 City Council meeting.
6. Landscaped Medians-Rosedale Highway @ 'Fwy 99 Interchange
Plans are complete, awaiting CalTRANS permit.
-. STATUS OF PRIOR YEAR PROJECTS (Consultant)
1. Tevis Park Development
Pre-construction scheduled for Tuesday, March 19. Construction to begin shortly
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2. Woodwaste/Greenwaste Facility
¡ This was awarded November 8. Awaiting favorable weather conditions to construct.
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3. Coffee Road Grade Separation
Plans have been reviewed at the 90% submittal stage. Resolution of Necessity was
adopted November 30. Condemnation proceeding is undeIWay for the Sunland
portion with possession April 1. 1996. Utilities should begin relocating their facilities
within the next two months and be clear by April.
4. Police Building Addition
Project currently under construction.
5- Bridge Replacement-China Grade Loop at Beardsley Canal
Plans currently out to bid.
6. Fire Station 13 Construction
Project currently under construction.
7. Canal Bridge Widening at Arvin Edison Canal (5 locations)
Plans currently out to bid. .
8. Canal Culvert Widening-Panama Lane @ Farmer's Canal
Project is complete.
9. Median Construction-Various Locations
Project awarded. Construction should begin shortly.
10. Diesel Exhaust Removal System-Various Fire Station Locations
, Project complete.
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To: DARNELL HAYNES, ASSISTANT TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR
From: STEPHEN L. WALKER, TRAFFIC ENGINEER Aft-;
Date: March 18, 1996
Subject: 1995-96 CIP STATUS
Attached are two variations of the 1995-96 CIP schedule. The first shows all projects by
order of design schedule within the fiscal year. The second is grouped by project engineer
with each engineer's schedule in order of design schedule. As shown all projects are on or
ahead of schedule. Following are projects of special interest:
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PRIOR YEAR PROJECTS m STATUS
Construction is still underway for the signal on East Brundage Lane at Oswell Street and
the signal on Calloway Drive at Meacham Road.
The Traffic Operations Center study is progressing on schedule with completion expected
in March.
CURRENT YEAR PROJECTS
PROJECTS BEHIND SCHEDULE
1. Signing and Marking Bike Lanes - Various Streets. Scheduled for approval of PS&E
in February. Completion of the higher priority new signal projects took,precedence
over this project. 98-100% of base mapping is complete. It is expected design will
be complete in late April with advertisement to follow.
2. Phase 2, Signal Interconnect on Various Streets. No change since last report, other
priorities and the outco,me from the TOC study have caused this project to slip. The
design is approximately 90% complete. All utility information has now been received
and incorporated into the plans. Final design is underway utilizing the newly
received utility data, Field verification of existing conduit locations is nearly
complete. .
PROJECTS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE
1. New Signal Flashing Stop Beacon on Buena Vista Road at Panama Lane. Scheduled
, for award in April. The contract was awarded January 23.
2. New Signal on Camino Media at Old River.Road (Consultant Design). Scheduled
for award in April. Contract will be awarded March 20.
0 PROJECTS ON SCHEDULE
All other projects are on schedule.
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I PROJECTS BEING DESIGNED BY CONSULTANTS
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I 1. Signal, New - Christmas Tree Lane at Mt Vernon Avenue - Awarded January 24.
2. Signal, New - Camino Media at Old River Road - Bids were received February 28
and project award is scheduled for March 20.
3. 'Signal, New - Howell Drive at Old River Road - Plans are complete with bid opening
date set for March 20.
4. Signal, Operations - Traffic Operations Center Design - See previous page.
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CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION
PROJECT STATUS
SUBDIVISION
03/11/96
¡P.M. OR I II DEVELOPER/ % I
!TRACT #'S I . LOCATION ,CONTRACTOR 1 INSPECTOR, COMP, I
iTR 5018-0 I HAGEMAN RD. & FRUITVALE DEVILLE HOMES LESH I 95%1
I TR 5245-C I S/O BRIMHALL @ MONDAVI CASTLE & COOKE LESH 30% I
I TR 5292 (PRI) I MOUNTAIN VISTA @ WHITE OAK I CASTLE & COOKE i LESH 100% I
I TR 5432-2 i E/S STINE @ POPPYSEED WILLIAMS DEV. INC. i PIERCE I 99% i
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! TR 5433 I AKERS - N/O BERKSHIRE PIERCE I 0% i
TR 5476-2 HAGEMAN & RIVERLAKES DR. HINESLEY LESH I 95% '
l TR 5477-4 I RIVERLAKES DR. & SOUTHSHORE DR. U.S. HOMES LESH I 70%
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i TR 5528-3 ! S/O PANAMA - E/O AKERS DELFINO DEV. PIERCE 35%
,'TR 5544-0 ¡BRIMHALL ROAD'& VERDUGO LANE CASTLE & COOKE 'LESH I 50% I
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I TR 5552-A&B ! RENFRO RD. & STOCKDALE HWY. WEST KERN DEVELOPMENT LESH 30%
I TR 5565-3 i HAGEMAN RD.-E/O OLD FARM RD. U.S. HOMES LESH I 35%
TR 5597 i JEWETTA - N/O BRIMHALL CARRIAGE HOMES LESH I 99%
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I TR 5646-2 I FAIRFAX RD @ VALLEYVIEW DR W.D.J. CORPORATION PIERCE 50% I
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ITR 5648-A [WIBLE RD. & M~KEE RD. FRANCO BUILDERS PIERCE I 99% I
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ITR5678-E I WHITE LN. &PIN OAK PARK BLVD. CASTLE & COOKE LESH I 100%
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TR 5679-1 I GOSFORD @ SO. LAURELGLEN KYLE CARTER I LESH i 50% I
TR 5679-2&3 I GOSFORD @ SO. LAURELGLEN KYLE CARTER LESH '25% i
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TR 5697-2 ! S/O HARRIS - W/O STINE KYLE CARTER I PIERCE 35%
I TR 5716-2 ! MAIN PLAZA - N/O GRANITE FALLS DEWALT LESH 55% I
TR 5716-4 MAIN PLAZA - N/O GRANITE FALLS DEWALT LESH i 50%
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iTR 5719-1 ¡PATTON, 5/0 HAGEMAN RD. PROBUILT LESH \ 75%
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ITR 5728-2 ¡JEWETTA & HAGEMAN I LESH 10%
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TR 5770 I BRIMHALL & CALLOWAY DRIVE CASTLE & COOKE LESH I 55% :
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, ITR 5799 I HAGEMAN RD.- E/O FRUITVALE I DEVILLE HOMES LESH i 95%
I TR 5809-A i UNION AVE. @ PANAMA LN. WATTENBARGER PIERCE ¡ 50% i
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~ \ PM 10054 ! COFFEE RD. & OLIVE DR. LESH I 95% ¡
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I PM 9329 i STOCKDALE HWY, CSUB - OLD RIVER I CASTLE & COOKE I LESH I 0%,1
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J[CITY OF BAKERSFIEL~NCIAL SUMMARY I
I II FY 95-96 PROJECTS AND FY 94-95 CARRYOVERS I
PROJ ACOUNTS I %OF I
PRO..eCT F. Y. 1995-96 BUDGETED PROJECTS ~ FUND FUND DEPT/ FY 95-96 REMAINING I BUDGET I
NUMBER PROJECT DESCRIPTION NO NUM SRC DIV BUDGET BALANCE I EXPENDED!
T6K001 20th Street Area - Curb and Gutter 2 111 CDBG PW $34,813 $34,792 0.06%
P6HO01 Two Above Ground Fuel Tanks - - - Sites to be Determined by need Various 311 COF FIRE $24,000 $24,000 0.00%
P6J001 Aggregate Base on North 2800 Acre Perimeter Levee (RR to 2nd Point) 4 431 AWF WATER $38,000 $5,148 86.45%
T6Koð2 Baker Street - Curb Cut Improvement 2 111 CDBG PW $15,128 $15,128 0.00%
P6KOO4 Bakersfield Municipal Airport Clear Zone 1 451 BAF PW $126,800 $126,800 0.00%
1 451 FAA PW ' $1,141,200 $1,141,200 0.00%
E6JO01 4 431 AWF WATER $45,000 $44,931 0.15%
T6KO03 2 121 HBRR PW $15,400 $15,400 0.00%
2 151 GT PW $3,800 $3,800 0.00%
T6KO04 I Bridge Replacement Oak St. at Carrier Canal I 2 151 GT PW $3,800 $3,800 0.00%
2 121 HBRR PW $15,400 $15,400 0.00%
Brid e Widening State Hwy. 58 at Friant Kern Canal 7 332 RBB'. PW $40,000 $70,000 0.00%
Canal and Storm Drain Fencin - Various Locations AII7 431 AWF WATER $92,000 $53,744 41.58%
AII7 431 AWF WATER $32,100 $0 100.00%
E6J003 Cathodic Protection For Station 11 & 12 4 441 DWF WATER $22,000 $22,000 0.00%
T6KO08 Channelization State Rte. 178 - Fairfax Rd. to 1000 Ft. West 3 332 RBB PW $40,000 $35,783 10.54%
T6K006 Channelization. Sianina & Maïkina - Bike Lane Installaiion on Various C ALL 121 TEA PW $272,000 $272,000 0.00%
ALL 151 GT PW $68,000 $68,000 0.00%
T6K007 Channelization Si nin & Marking - Speed Control Features, Oleanda 1,2 151 GT PW $35,000 $35,000 0.00%
06C001 Convention Center - Ac lic Shieldin Svstem For Hocke Rink 2 311 COF COMSE $40,000 $2,791 93.02%
06C002 Convention Center - Control Cable Tray 2 311, COF COMSE $12,200 $4,615 62.17%
__"'p6Coo~,- Co!,,!vention Center - Energï.Efficient ImQrovements(HVAC) I 2 311 COF COMSE $2,295,500 $4,640 99.80%
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P6C001 Convention Center Parking 2 461 PLF COMSE $635,000 $17,783 97.20%
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P6D001 Devel ment Services Buildin and Parking Structure Improvements 2 311 COF DEVSEF $38,850 $37,750 2.83%
E6JO08 Downtown Water Theme 2, 6 and 7 431 AWF WATER $235,000 $235,000 0.00%
P6KO08 Facilities Re lacement Reserve 311 COF PW $2,175,000 $956,343 56.03%
06K001 Geo ra hic Information S stem ALL 151 GT PW $25,000 $2,947 88.21 %
ALL 441 DWF PW $12,500 $12,500 0.00%
ALL 431 AWF PW $12,500 $12,500 0.00%
ALL 411 SE PW $25,000 $14,723 41.11%
ALL 421 RF PW $25,000 $25,000 0.00%
T6C001 James Street/Weill Park - Sidewalks, Curb and Gutter -- 2 111 CDBG COMSE $12,300 $12,205 0.77%
E6JOO4 Kern River Transmission Water Main 4 441 DWF WATER $175,000 $175,000 0.00%
T6K009 Lake Street Area - Curb and Gutter Part II 2 111 CDBG PW $122,542 $122,429 0.09%
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B A K ER 5 F I E L D
PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
MEMORANDUM
March 20, 1996
TO: Alan Tandy, City Manager
FROM: Darnell W. Haynes, Assistant to the Public Works Director
THROUGH: Raul M. Rojas, Public Works Director
SUBJECf: 1995-96 CIP STATUS - NOTICE OF COMPLETION'
Since the last monthly CIP status report on February 20, 1996, Six Notices of Completion were
. accepted for the following projects:
.
AGREEMENT CONTRACTOR PROJECT DATE OF
, ACCEPTANCE
93-172 Centex Real Estate Improvement Agreement for Tract 5372, 2-22-96
Corporation Unit Two located between Calloway
Drive & Verdugo Lane, apprx. 1300 ft
north of Noriega Rd.
94-57 Joaquin Valley ,Improvement Agreement for Tract No. 3-12-96
Estates Corp. 5596, Phase I
94-101 Coral Keys Limited Improvement Agreement for Tract 5723 3-19-96
95-207 Carriage Homes, Improvement Agreement for Tract No. 3-19-96
Inc. 5334
95-209 Griffith Company Contract for Stockdale Highway 3-19-96
reconstruction and Stocksale Highway
and Coffee Road Landscaping.
95-222 Jack E. Turman and Improvement Agreement for Tract No. 2-22-96
Norma L. Turman 5810
~ cc: G. Waiters
T. Slater
i D. Teubner
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BAKERSFIELD
PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
MEMORANDUM
March 21. 1996
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TO: Alan Tandy, City Manager .
FROM: Darnell W. Haynes, Assistant to the Publie Works Director ,'1\ L~'
THROUGH: Raul M. Rojas, Public Works Director ~ '
SUBJECT: CIP STATUS REPORT - MARCH 1996
PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS APPROVED
Since the last monthly CIP status report on February 20,1996. two.project plans and specifica1'ions
,<i. were approved as follows:
, PROJECT NO. PROJECT TITLE DATE APPROVED
1. E6KO01 Landfair Storm Water Lift Station 2-16-96
2. Various Canal Bridges @ Arvin Edison 3-27.96 (projected)
CC: G. Waiters
T. Slater
D. Teubner
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ISABELLA RESERVOIR DAILY OPERATIONS REPORT
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(All readings are for elate of report (MONDAY)
as of 0001 , except as noted... .cfs in italics) Date of Report: March 18, 1996
ISABELLA RESERVOIR
1 2584.07 Lake Elevation 348211 Storage 1714 Change 1486 Inflow to Isabella
2 568075 Storage Capacity 61% % of Capacity 171032 Normal Storage 204% % of Normal Storage
. For this Date
3 9021 Average Lake Area (Acres) 50005 Inflow (Month) 20171 Outflow (Month)
4 1089 North Fork Mean 1237 North Fork @ 0700 Hours 242321 Accumulative Inflow (95-96 WY)
5 586 Mean Outflow 581 Borel Canal 5 Main Dam Outlet 223965 Accum. Outflow rNY)
6 36 Lake Evap. (cfs) 0.14 Inches Evap. for 24 Hours 1012 Lake Evap. (Month to Date)
7 0 Spillway Discharge for 24 Hours
PRECIPITATION AND TEMPERATURE
8 0.00 Inches of Precipitation at Isabella for 24 Hours
9 12,60 Seasonal Precip. Isabella 7.85 Normal for 161% Isabella Precip.
this Date % of Normal
10 0.00 Inches of Precipitation at Pascoe for 24 Hours
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11 33.10 Seasonal Precip. Pascoe 27.64 Normal for 120% Pascoe. Precip.
this Date % of Normal
12 74 Isabella Maximum Temperature
13 44 Isabella Minimum Temperature 57 24 Hour Wind Movement (Miles)
NATURAL RIVER FLOW
14 1643 Natural Flow (cfs) 54674 Natural Flow (Month to Date) 263625 Accum. Natural Flow (Water Year)
15 1038 Mean Flow 158% Natural Flow 705 Median Flow 233% Natural Flow
For this Date in % of Mean For this Date in % of Median
16 6730 Max. on Record 230 Min. on Record
For this Date For this Date
Produced by City of BakerSfield
Department of Water Resources
(805) 326-3715